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Title: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Melissa on June 22, 2016, 06:42:12 pm
Hello guys; if you remember, my old Peppermint 3 laptop went to grub error and my colleague was overhauling it ( new HD, RAM etc). Well, I got it back today, and he'd got it working ok he said, and put Debian on it as he said it wouldn't accept Peppermint ( 6 I think) nor the latest Ubuntu. He said it was due its processor (AMD).

Well I've just switched it on and it said:

LILO 24.1 and a ton of dots appeared across the screen with all sorts of code, and then at the end:

bin/sh: can't access tty;job control turned off (init tramfs).

I have NO clue whatsoever what all that means. It didn't go to the Debian log on.

What's wrong with it?

He's in my voluntary place tomorrow so I'll take it in again, but just was wondering what you guys think about this old machine.

If my Chromebook had the drivers for a scanner and a disc drive it'd be perfect. For scanning I have to use my Mint netbook and CDS well, the old CD player. DVDS sit gathering dust in their box.

I would like to format my portable hard drives so I can use them on my Chromebook ( got tons of music on there) - I could load the files onto my netbook so I can format the HD, and then re load the files back on but I don't know if there's enough space on it as it's SSD is small- can anyone advise me with that too please? (Well actually I have 2 portable HDS, one is my general one with music, and the other one is my collection of a Tv series episodes I love).
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: arochester on June 22, 2016, 08:48:34 pm
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he said it wouldn't accept Peppermint ( 6 I think) nor the latest Ubuntu. He said it was due its processor (AMD).
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We presently offer two different images: one for 32 bit systems (i386), and one for 64 bit systems (amd64).
- https://peppermintos.com/guide/downloading/
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 23, 2016, 08:37:10 am
It would be nice to know what the CPU actually is.

Have you got the netbook make and model (usually found on a sticker underneath).

It *may* be that the CPU can't handle PAE (Debian do a non-PAE version)
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on July 09, 2016, 04:06:18 pm
It would be nice to know what the CPU actually is.

Have you got the netbook make and model (usually found on a sticker underneath).

It *may* be that the CPU can't handle PAE (Debian do a non-PAE version)

It's that old HD laptop that used to have Peppermint 3 on it. It was once a Microsoft XP one. Anyway, it's still with my colleague- not been in to the place for a fortnight, will see if he got it working when I go in next week Mark. He said it was booting up when he finished loading the stuff on it.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on August 25, 2016, 11:33:54 am
I got it back now Mark, so I will look to see what the CPU is later- if you could give me a heads up on how to get it booted that'd be awesome thanks. The colleague has done all he can with it. Maybe it has just had its day- if so I will get the new HD and RAM taken out- they can be used for the Mint netbook!
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on August 25, 2016, 02:02:24 pm
I can't see anything on the back which tells me what CPU the laptop has but I found a web page for it Mark which might tell you:


http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00770952 (http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00770952)


If I understand it correctly is the CPU Sempron?
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: SeZo on August 25, 2016, 08:03:26 pm
You could try to get the cpu info:
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sudo dmidecode -t processor
then look for PAE under the Flags or just test it for PAE:
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sudo dmidecode -t processor | grep PAE
If that returns PAE (Physical address extension) then you know that it is good to go with PAE kernels.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on August 25, 2016, 10:24:04 pm
The thing doesn't boot up SeZo so I can't access the terminal.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 26, 2016, 02:13:47 am
Have you tried booting a LiveUSB ?
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on August 27, 2016, 02:54:20 am
Have you tried booting a LiveUSB ?

No, not sure how to do that. My colleague put the RAM in and a new HD and he said it booted and was working but I can't get it to do anything except that weird black screen with all jumbly stuff I cannot understand. I'd need someone here with me to show me what to do.

I'm probably best taking it to a computer shop with my Mum's Dell laptop and asking him to see if he can see what's wrong with the Dell and the HD laptop- and also take the netbook as he could take the HD and RAM out of the old HD laptop and put it into the netbook and that would then be a fab netbook. I found a computer shop that knows how to load Linux distros. I'd need to save up a bit first tho ( being "jobless" makes these things harder to pay for).

I haven't the skills to do all this myself.

What I want really is to get the Dell my Mum gave me working and get the netbook updated with the RAM and  replace that tiny SSD with the HD that's in the old HP laptop and give the netbook to my Mum, so she has a spare computer ( she'd also have a Linux compuer then ha ha).

I LOVE my Chromebook, but my scanner doesn't work on it, so I need  a laptop that it will work on. It of course works on the netbook, but the screen is too small for my eyes. And an external CD drive doesn't work on a Chromebook either and I want to play my CDS.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 27, 2016, 01:54:11 pm
Well step 1 is creating a LiveUSB stick with your distro of choice on it...

Have you got access to a working PC (not chromebook) ?

If so, which OS is it running ? .. Windows or Linux ?
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on August 30, 2016, 09:22:51 pm
Well step 1 is creating a LiveUSB stick with your distro of choice on it...

Have you got access to a working PC (not chromebook) ?

If so, which OS is it running ? .. Windows or Linux ?

Yes Mark I've got the netbook with Mint on it.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 01, 2016, 01:22:57 pm
Which version of Mint was it again ?

if unsure, open a terminal and post the output from:
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cat /etc/lsb-release
and
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uname -a
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on September 05, 2016, 08:40:18 pm
Thanks Mark, will do that tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on September 12, 2016, 12:50:45 am
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=LinuxMint
DISTRIB_RELEASE=13
DISTRIB_CODENAME=maya
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Linux Mint 13 Maya"
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ uname -a
Linux karij-Inspiron-1011 3.2.0-23-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 10 20:41:14 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $



Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Tramlink on September 12, 2016, 11:14:08 am
I do not understand why this chap installed this operating system.  I am running mint 17.3 mate 64bit on a similar laptop with no problems.

You should be able to download a newer version of mint say mint 17 I suggest version 17 with support until 2019 (lightest LTS version)  https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=160 (https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=160)

Once you have downloaded the new operating system there should be a program in Applications to create a live USB.  This can be used to boot the troublesome laptop and if required install mint.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 13, 2016, 02:47:38 pm
The link you gave doesn't really tie down which CPU you have or whether it supports PAE

I think the best bet is to create a Peppermint 6 or 7 LiveUSB/LiveDVD and see if it'll boot from it

Do you have another PC (not chromebook) on which we can create a LiveUSB stick .. and is this PC Linux or Windows ?
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on October 01, 2016, 01:41:54 pm
The link you gave doesn't really tie down which CPU you have or whether it supports PAE

I think the best bet is to create a Peppermint 6 or 7 LiveUSB/LiveDVD and see if it'll boot from it

Do you have another PC (not chromebook) on which we can create a LiveUSB stick .. and is this PC Linux or Windows ?

Sorry Mark, I'm just recovering from flu, yes got netbook (Mint).
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on October 01, 2016, 01:43:17 pm
I do not understand why this chap installed this operating system.  I am running mint 17.3 mate 64bit on a similar laptop with no problems.

You should be able to download a newer version of mint say mint 17 I suggest version 17 with support until 2019 (lightest LTS version)  https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=160 (https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=160)

Once you have downloaded the new operating system there should be a program in Applications to create a live USB.  This can be used to boot the troublesome laptop and if required install mint.

The netbook is ok, just runs a bit slow now. It needs more RAM and a new HD as its SSD is very small.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on October 01, 2016, 01:45:03 pm
The link you gave doesn't really tie down which CPU you have or whether it supports PAE


I don't know what PAE is. Its a Dell inspirion laptop. if you tell me how to find out what its CPU is I will look online.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 01, 2016, 06:19:48 pm
Okay (as we're going round in circles here) let's just try creating a Peppermint 7 64bit LiveUSB and see if it'll boot.

Download the peppermint 7 64bit ISO image from here onto your Mint PC desktop
https://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso (https://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso)

also download this file and put it on your desktop
http://launchpad.net/unetbootin/trunk/625/+download/unetbootin-linux-625.bin (http://launchpad.net/unetbootin/trunk/625/+download/unetbootin-linux-625.bin)

let me know when you have those 2 files on your desktop, and a 2GB (or larger) USB stick that can be safely wiped.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on October 04, 2016, 01:49:57 pm
Thanks Mark, I'll do this tomorrow as got tons to do this afternoon and going out in the evening. I've got a data stick- I think it must be 2g because we used this before in the past to create an ISO on when you helped me load Peppermint 3 onto the old HD laptop ( the one that has since died).
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on October 24, 2016, 06:01:34 pm
Sorry Mark- been super busy lately! The file you told me to put on my Mint netbook desktop is on there, and the two iso files are on my data stick. So, now I'm ready to  load them to the old Dell laptop.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 30, 2016, 01:56:09 pm
Okay, I've decided against using unetbootin (it doesn't contain a working profile for Peppermint) .. lets install/use mintstick instead.

Download this file
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/backport/m/mintstick/mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb (http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/backport/m/mintstick/mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb)
and double-click it to install.

Once you have it installed, you should find 2 new applications in the menu

menu > System Tools > USB Image Writer
and
menu > System Tools > USB Stick Formatter

Can you confirm you have those ? .. then I'll post a tutorial on their use.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on November 22, 2016, 02:23:14 pm
I've downloaded the mint stick package onto my Mint netbook, and the previous isos you gave me (Peppermint 7) are on the data stick. I can see the mint stick package in my documents on my netbook but when I look in my menu I don't see :

menu > System Tools > USB Image Writer


menu > System Tools > USB Stick Formatter

P.S- a weird thing- my data stick has stopped working on my Chromebook but it works in my netbook.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 22, 2016, 05:22:28 pm
If you're going to use that same USB stick as the installation media, you'll need to copy the ISO's off it and onto say the desktop of your Mint PC (because you're going to be overwriting the USB stick0.

If you've installed mintstick but cannot find the 2 utilities in the menu, you can start them with these commands

USB Stick Formatter
Code: [Select]
mintstick -m format

USB Image Writer
Code: [Select]
mintstick -m iso
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on December 08, 2016, 01:47:51 pm
If you're going to use that same USB stick as the installation media, you'll need to copy the ISO's off it and onto say the desktop of your Mint PC (because you're going to be overwriting the USB stick0.

If you've installed mintstick but cannot find the 2 utilities in the menu, you can start them with these commands

USB Stick Formatter
Code: [Select]
mintstick -m format

USB Image Writer
Code: [Select]
mintstick -m iso

I've got the iso file and mintstick on my Mint netbook. The data stick no longer works even on my netbook now. I do have however, 2 portable hard drives that I can use to transfer the files from the netbook to the Dell laptop that's getting Linuxed.

I entered those commands but got back "command not found" on each of them.
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 09, 2016, 09:09:49 pm
Post the output from:
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dpkg -l | grep mintstick
Title: Re: My old laptop -help please
Post by: Melissa on December 14, 2016, 12:52:18 pm
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ dpkg -l | grep mintstick
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $

Nothing, just a flashing cursor. It might be better if you re link me all the files I need to save onto the Mint netbook and portable HD. Maybe I saved the wrong ones. I'm not a computer programmer/savvy on systems so I don't really understand what these files are and what they do. Thanks Mark.
Title: Re: My old laptop -HELP please!
Post by: Melissa on January 03, 2017, 10:49:18 pm
Please what do I do next? I'm dying to get Linux on the Dell laptop up and running as my Chromebook won't play videos from my portable hard drives and connect to a CD drive, so not been able to play my CDs and DVDS for months.
Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Melissa on January 07, 2017, 12:41:16 pm
So...what do I do next? Anyone??
Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on January 08, 2017, 12:37:55 am
Okay, on your Mint netbook

Download this file
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/backport/m/mintstick/mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb (http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/backport/m/mintstick/mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb)
and put it on your DESKTOP

Now open a terminal and run:
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cd ~/Desktop
then
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sudo dpkg -i mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb
enter your passwrd when prompted, and hit enter.

Once that's finished, post the output from:
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dpkg -l | grep mintstick
Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Melissa on January 10, 2017, 05:44:03 pm
Ok done, thanks.

karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ cd ~/Deskto
bash: cd: /home/karij/Deskto: No such file or directory
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ sudo dpkg -i mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb
[sudo] password for karij:
dpkg: error processing mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb (--install):
 cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
 mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ dpkg -l | grep mintstick
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $


Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: SeZo on January 10, 2017, 06:18:18 pm
That would have worked better with cd ~/Desktop (instead of cd ~/Deskto)
Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Melissa on January 11, 2017, 01:41:17 am


OOPS sorry,  the text  and screen are very small on this netbook.

karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~ $ cd ~/Desktop
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~/Desktop $ sudo dpkg -i mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb
[sudo] password for karij:
Selecting previously unselected package mintstick.
dpkg: regarding mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb containing mintstick:
 mintstick conflicts with usb-imagewriter
  usb-imagewriter (version 0.1.3-1linuxmint2) is present and installed.
dpkg: error processing mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb (--install):
 conflicting packages - not installing mintstick
Errors were encountered while processing:
 mintstick_1.1.8_all.deb
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~/Desktop $ dpkg -l | grep mintstick
karij@karij-Inspiron-1011 ~/Desktop $

Title: Re: PLEASE help me load Linux onto a Dell laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on January 11, 2017, 06:51:52 pm
Okay run:
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sudo apt-get remove usb-imagewriter
then try again
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