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Title: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 12, 2016, 05:26:38 pm
How do I learn about linux? Books? Manuals? Articles?. Not particularly computer literate but familiar with Fortran and Basic in the very distant past (that dates me). Requirements are Internet access, e-mail, word processing, spread sheets. printing (HP All-in-one 4280).  Entroware (is this an American company?) offer laptops with Ubuntu  which would be a straightforward introduction. Also quite taken with Asus Zenbook 305 but this would mean installing linux and getting rid of Windows 10. Judging by Ed's problems with Peppermint ("going over to linux") I don't think I would want to go there (the technical jargon is impenetrable in any case). Grateful for any comments.

Incidentally, are there any linux devotees in the Market Rasen, Lincolnshire,UK area?

Osmond

Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 12, 2016, 05:41:45 pm
This:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2313890
seems to suggest any Ubuntu 16.04 based distro (including Peppermint 7 or Mint 18) should "just work" on the Zenbook UX305

There were issues with distros based on earlier versions, but the 4.4 kernel used in 16.04 seems to have solved them.

It really isn't hard to install (usually much easier than Windows) and we're here to help .. but your call ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 13, 2016, 08:10:27 am
Thanks Mark. I'll log your suggestion. Collecting as much information as I can prior to making a decision

Osmond
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 13, 2016, 11:43:21 am
For word processing and spreadsheetes .. LibreOffice or WPS office are your best bet, installable on pretty much any Linux distro.

Email .. Thunderbird for a mail client if you're not talking about webmail which is handled in the browser anyway.

HP 4280 Printer .. you'll probably need to install hplip-gui which is very easy to do with a single command, or via the GUI package manager (think "app store") and we can help.

Don't be put off by what seems like impenetrable jargon, and the fact that forums seem to be all "command line" .. Linux rarely "requires" the command line, but it's used a lot on forums because commands are easier to type, leave less room for "misinterpretation", and can be copy/pasted.
The "jargon" you'll soon get to grips with, and we're here to a nswer any questions ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 13, 2016, 03:05:02 pm
Thanks again Mark. More useful  info to be filed. Are you familiar with the supplier Entroware?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Rich J on September 14, 2016, 08:54:56 am
Thanks again Mark. More useful  info to be filed. Are you familiar with the supplier Entroware?

Hi Osmond and welcome to the forum!

For Entroware, see here - https://www.entroware.com/store/ (https://www.entroware.com/store/)

Before you go shelling out on a new piece of kit, have you got a redundant Windows machine sat gathering dust? Or a relative/friend who might pass one on?  I'm writing this from a 10yr old ex Vista desktop with Windows gone and Mint 17 installed - does everything I need and more with no major hassles.  Ditto an even older ex XP laptop........... ;)

With reference to your 1st post - in my opinion you would learn more about Linux (and faster) by installing an OS yourself rather than going for one pre-installed.  It's really quite straightforward these days, especially with the more 'mainstream' OS's and if you do encounter any hiccups, then this site is the 'go to' for advice, in the first instance.

Just keep in mind that Linux is NOT Windows - and is all the better for it!  It works differently 'under the hood' but to all practical purposes, browsing/document writing/spreadsheets etc etc, is just the same.  Also you can forget the need for antivirus and the like - yes, really!

There are, literally, hundreds of different incarnations of Linux and that can be quite daunting to a 'newbie'!  Try to see that as an advantage.  With Windows you 'get what you are given', ie no choice; with Linux, you are free to choose whatever suits you and your particular needs and can modify, remove and install any and all of it as you desire.  Plus the fact it's free..........

Research, ask as many questions as you like before you make up your mind on what to do and I'm sure all will be well as it has been for those of us who have gone through exactly the same process before you.

Good luck!

Rich
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 14, 2016, 03:58:04 pm
Thanks for your interest Rich J. I have an ancient Toshiba 200 W7 but my wife likes it so it's likely to remain in use for the foreseeable future. As to installing a linux OS I don't think I'm quite there yet but I take your point; at least that would give me a wider choice of machines. Still collecting information and advice.
Thanks for your good wishes.

Osmond
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 14, 2016, 04:01:51 pm
Are you familiar with the supplier Entroware?

Can't say I have any personal experience with them, but if you post a link to the hardware you're specifically looking at we can probably advise on whether it'd save you much or be worth buying similar Windows hardware and installing yourself.

A "quick" browse of their website doesn't seem to suggest they are too overpriced, but I can't personally vouch for their returns policy and/or support.
(though they are by no means cheap)

Ebuyer also do Ubuntu pre-installed hardware, and  I **can** guarantee theirs.

BRB with further info


[EDIT]

Hmm, it seems they no longer have any listed .. I've emailed them to ask if this is temporary (out of stock), or a permanenet dropping of the lines.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Lee H on September 15, 2016, 07:23:23 pm
Hi Osmond

I am new to these forums, but have been using various flavours of Linux (in combination with more mainstream OSes) since the 90s.

If you wanted to try out Linux without having to install it yourself, I would be happy to lend you one of these:

http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=12950.msg106111 (http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=12950.msg106111)

It runs Xubuntu which is XFCE + Ubuntu. XFCE has a fairly standard and easy to use interface, and Ubuntu is well supported. PM me if interested, I will pop one in the post.

Regards Lee.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 17, 2016, 08:06:31 am
Good morning Lee.
Thanks for your offer. I don't think I'm quite ready for this yet. Still feeling my way.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 17, 2016, 12:22:40 pm
That was a very kind offer there Lee H .. very community minded, I'm impressed :)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on September 18, 2016, 01:19:09 pm
Greetings to all advisors,
Ministry of Freedom offer laptops withTrisquel GNU/linux pre-installed and with a wide choice of Ram and storage. The processor is Core 2 Duo P8400 2.2GHz. Is this the kind of set-up to suit a beginner like....

Osmond?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on September 18, 2016, 04:02:09 pm
Looking at the Ministry of Freedom laptop appears to be reconditioned unit.
Quote
The Libreboot X200 is a modified ThinkPad X200 (itself a rebranded Wistron design) containing reconditioned parts, with libreboot and Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre 7.0 LTS pre-installed.

The processor is Core 2 Duo P8400 was released in 2008 see here (http://ark.intel.com/products/35569/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-P8400-3M-Cache-2_26-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB)
I have never tried Trisquel so cannot comment on it.
IMHO if you are a freedom warrior then this is to go with. Otherwise the offer from Lee H is a good one.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 18, 2016, 06:50:49 pm
I agree Lee H's offer looks better to me (and may I add, very community minded) .. Trisquel is one of those distros that refuse to include proprietary codecs or drivers so might give you problems with some things like mp3 playback, etc.
It's not that they can't be added, but something like Xubuntu will certainly make life easier.

Lee H was also only asking around ?50 If I remember correctly, and that's also a core2duo like the T400 from Ministry of Freedom.

Even if I were to go down the T400 route I'd still get one with Windows pre-installed
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Thinkpad-14-1-inch-Ex-Business-Widescreen/dp/B00U7FWOX4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474221257&sr=8-1&keywords=lenovo+t400 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Thinkpad-14-1-inch-Ex-Business-Widescreen/dp/B00U7FWOX4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474221257&sr=8-1&keywords=lenovo+t400)
then install Linux myself.

But your call.

I know I keep saying this but installing Linux is ridiculously easy these days .. and it's fairly easy to research how well most laptop models will run it .. there's nearly always someone who's posted any problems or not, or we can look up the hardware spec.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Sim on September 23, 2016, 07:20:22 pm
Greetings to all advisors,
Ministry of Freedom offer laptops withTrisquel GNU/linux pre-installed and with a wide choice of Ram and storage. The processor is Core 2 Duo P8400 2.2GHz. Is this the kind of set-up to suit a beginner like....

Osmond?

I ran an HP core2duo machine for donkeys years - :)  initially with Ubuntu 10 on, and then moved to peppermint. ;)  It was so good, i used it for more or less everything, and literally "wore it out"  :(  - I replaced it with a more modern machine, but am still running linux - peppermint 6 currently ( of course!). :)

Linux is very easy to get on with now - I have switched many of our friends over to it too!! none of have gone back, one went to Apple ( he's got too much money!) the remaining friends running windross ( not many, thankfully ), seem to have too many problems for my liking - and always "moaning" about something called "antivirus" ??????  ;D ::)

I'd try and stick to a mainstream distro for your first experience of linux.... my choice would be peppermint, but there are several other good suggestions above  :)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 06, 2016, 03:32:11 pm
Sorry about the delay-domestic commitments. Thanks for your comments Sim. Peppermint seems to be a much quoted version and I'll bear this in mind if I proceed further.

Mark: Referring back to your suggestion about Ubuntu and Asus there appear to be some problems concerning touchpad, Wi-Fi, screen brightness to mention but a few. Also on www.reddit.com (http://www.reddit.com) there is a blow by blow account of installing Ubuntu on the 305 which is largely incomprehensible to me and does little for my confidence in proceeding with the project. Incidentally, during my internet searches I stumbled upon a website which mentioned a perceived arrangement between Microsoft and Lenovo to prevent Linux installation on Lenovo computers. Unfortunately I failed to note the name of the website and cannot now find it. Is there any truth in this?

I am committed to getting a new laptop but the foregoing has left me wondering what to go for.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 06, 2016, 06:13:23 pm
As I said, a quick "Google" seems to suggest the 4.4 kernel currently used by most recent (ubuntu based) distros seems to have solved issues the 305 had with earlier kernels.

So if you're finding different info, it may be out of date .. but the only way I could be sure is if you provide links.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 07, 2016, 08:38:47 am
My last post has not appeared. Neither has Mark's posted at 6.13 pm yesterday. Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 07, 2016, 03:29:32 pm
I'm not sure what you mean .. I can see them :-\

Have you tried clearing your web browser cache, then restarting your browser ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 08, 2016, 08:25:39 am
Sorry Mark, back in contact now. I got the info on Asus 305 and Ubuntu from www.liliputing (http://www.liliputing) .com and www.reddit.com (http://www.reddit.com). Most of the reviews dated back to 2015 so as you point out things may have improved by now.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 20, 2016, 10:06:27 pm
At last. Have acquired an Asus UX301LA 8GB Ram, 128GB SSD, (Windows10), Memory stick 16GB. To reiterate my requirements as in my original message:   Internet, documents and letters, spreadsheets, pdf reader, print, e-mail. Perhaps the odd game of Patience (sorry, Solitaire).

Is the above equipment suitable for installing a suitable version of Linux? Any comments will be appreciated.
 
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 22, 2016, 12:23:19 pm
A quick "google" suggests that's a good choice for Linux, but there's only one way to know for sure .. create a LiveUSB, boot to it, and see if there are any problems ;)

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=asus_zenbook_ux301la&num=1 (https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=asus_zenbook_ux301la&num=1)

etc.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 24, 2016, 08:51:00 am
Thanks Mark. According to Phoronic there doesn't seem to be too many problems although I couldn't understand some of the  technicalities. How do I proceed now? What version of Linux do I need? How do I get it?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 25, 2016, 11:02:21 am
If I were you I'd get one of the distros below

Peppermint 7 64bit
https://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso (https://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso)

Mint 18 Cinnamon 64bit
http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/linuxmint//stable/18/linuxmint-18-cinnamon-64bit.iso (http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/linuxmint//stable/18/linuxmint-18-cinnamon-64bit.iso)

Ubuntu 16.04 64bit
http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso (http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso)

Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64bit
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04.1/release/ubuntu-mate-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04.1/release/ubuntu-mate-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso)

Then use Rufus in Windows to burn the ISO image to a USB stick:
https://rufus.akeo.ie/ (https://rufus.akeo.ie/)
a tutorial for using Rufus in Windows can be found on the Peppermint forum here:
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4350.0.html (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4350.0.html)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 28, 2016, 05:51:38 pm
Well, have been spending a great deal of time with Rufus. First problem was finding out what "click the button to navigate..." actually meant. Solved that and proceeded to "Start" and up comes the warning that "ALL DATA ON THE DEVICE WILL BE DESTROYED". Accept that and we get a repeat of the green stripe and can go no further. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 28, 2016, 06:45:32 pm
Can you explain this a little better

Quote
Accept that and we get a repeat of the green stripe and can go no further.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 29, 2016, 06:27:31 pm
Sorry Mark, I'll be more specific. I downloaded the Rufus tutorial as you instructed. Downloaded the Peppermint IOS image, then RUFUS. Ran RUFUS entering Item 1 Device: USB stick, Item2 New Volume Label: Peppermint-7, then Bootable Disc which in this case is Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso.torrent (I was advised to use Torrent download). Then pressed START. Message comes up to the effect that running the programme will delete all data. Pressed ACCEPT. Quick green flash along the bar and then nothing.

I hope this is intelligable.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 30, 2016, 03:38:19 am
Okay Osmond, let's try this a different way.

Let's use Win32DiskImager instead of RUFUS .. here's a tutorial I just put together on the Peppermint forum:
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4569.0.html
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 30, 2016, 10:09:02 pm
Hello Mark. Got as far as transferring Peppermint-7 using the blue folder icon but doesn't work. Printed the info in the panel and pressed Write and got the message:     Unable to execute file: C:\Program Files\Image Writer.....   code 740. The requested operation requires elevation. 

I have tried to delete Win32DiskImager in order to have another go but don't seem to be able to get rid of it. Says it's still open in another program.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on October 31, 2016, 05:33:36 pm
Is it worth having another go with RUFUS? is it possible that the problem is at this end? I am using a new laptop with W10, with both of which I am not familiar. When downloading Peppermint-7 I left it in the Downloads folder throughout. Is this right? When using Win32 I did not bother to reload Peppermint-7 but used the existing copy in Downloads.
Comments appreciated.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 31, 2016, 07:50:14 pm
Well I've tested BOTH apps in Win10 .. and they both worked.

Try running Win32DiskImager "As Administrator"
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 02, 2016, 06:54:47 pm
Attempted to instal Win32 as suggested. Message:
                                                                                 Unable to execute file:
                                                                                  C:\Program Files (x86)\Image writer\Win32Diskmager.exe
                                                                                  CreateProcess failed; code 740
                                                                                  The requested operation requires elevation





Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 02, 2016, 08:25:54 pm
Ignored the above and got as far as the blue icon but cannot transfer Peppermint. I happened to spot that the memory stick titled Peppermint-7 holds the following:
                                              autorun           Icon                          34KB
                                              autorun           Setup Information     1KB
What is the significance of this?
                                               
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 02, 2016, 10:49:00 pm
What make/model of USB stick is this ?

Have you tried another USB stick ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 04, 2016, 03:06:49 pm
Sandisk Ultra USB 3

In RUFUS I am asked to click on the small icon and then on Peppermint to transfer it. I Left click on the icon, hold it down, move to Peppermint, release and Left click again. Nothing happens of course. Am I doing the right thing. Is it correct to hold Peppermint in the Downloads file while performing these operations or should it be moved? Should it be opened?

While looking through my old laptop I noticed that UBUNTU-1604.1-desktop-amd64 has been downloaded 5 times. Any clues?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 04, 2016, 09:53:43 pm
you click on the small icon then NAVIGATE to the Peppermint ISO .. click the Peppermint ISO .. then click "open" or "continue" or whatever.

I have no idea why you're trying to drag it ???
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 06, 2016, 08:51:11 am
Can anyone recommend  a suitable memory stick USB3, 16GB, to act as Live USB when downloading e.g. Peppermint to a laptop. Not Sandisk, not encrypted
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 06, 2016, 12:55:40 pm
It *might* not be a problem with the Sandisk USB stick .. I currently have 2 Sandisk USB 3.0 USB sticks
1 x Sandisk Extreme
1 x Sandisk Ultra fit

I only mentioned Sandisk because some of their earlier drives had some weird encryption that made them awkward to use as LiveUSB's without a FULL reformat first.

Have you tried formatting the USB stick in Windows prior to creating the LiveUSB ?

Does the drive still show up in Windows ?

Maybe you should use the "SDformatter" tool mentioned in this tutorial
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4569.0.html
to format the USB stick prior to using RUFUS

Or just try downloading Win32DiskImager from here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/

But if you really want another USB stick, just buy a cheap generic one.

[EDIT]

Another option might be to burn a LiveDVD rather than using a USB stick.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 06, 2016, 07:37:21 pm
Well Mark have finally got to the LiveUSB stage using Win32 as administrator as suggested by you earlier. Also managed to get SDFormatter after a struggle with the Internet and completed that. The puzzle is that the memory stick is empty. The Peppermint-7 file has 21KB. Can this be right? Have I put in the wrong memory stick address?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 06, 2016, 08:23:35 pm
The Peppermint 7 ISO file should be around 1GB (1000MB) in size.

BUT

If you used the Win32DiskImager application to write it to the USB stick then Windows will no longer be able to read the USB stick unless you format it again with SDformatter (but don't do that yet).

That said, even though Windows cannot read it, it should still be bootable.

Have you tried booting to it ?



[EDIT]

If you're still looking for a cheap USB stick, ebuyer are currently doing free shipping on a £2.99 16GB (USB 2.0) Toshiba stick
http://www.ebuyer.com/722876-toshiba-16gb-transmemory-u202-usb-flash-drive-white-thn-u202w0160e4 (http://www.ebuyer.com/722876-toshiba-16gb-transmemory-u202-usb-flash-drive-white-thn-u202w0160e4)
they're damn slow (even for USB 2.0), but I've a 32GB one of these and it works as a LiveUSB for me.

The free postage may be for today (Mon 7th Nov 2016) only though, so be quick if you want one ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 07, 2016, 08:58:02 pm
I am not clear what you mean by "booting to it". Booting what?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 07, 2016, 11:14:31 pm
What's the make and model of your computer ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 08, 2016, 08:41:36 am
AsusUX301LA. i5, 128GB Ram, 8GB SSD.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 08, 2016, 12:03:16 pm
What happens if immediately after turning on your PC you hit the "Esc" key .. are you presented with a boot device selection screen ?



This link is here for my reference:
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf)
Pg 92
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 08, 2016, 01:38:11 pm
According to the manual during POST press f2 to access BIOS. There is a warning that using inapproprate BIOS settings may result in system instability etc. Haven't tried it yet but apparently you can get Windows Boot Manager which sounds a likely candidate.

Await further instructions. Don't see how booting an empty file does any good but what do I know.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 08, 2016, 04:28:03 pm
You're not understanding me...

a) it MAY be that the ISB stick hasn't been created properly, but it MAY be that it has .. there's no way to be sure in Windows as if the LiveUSB was created properly Windows may not be able to read it.

and

b) there's usually no need to mess with the BIOS settings .. some key when hit and held at boot should present you with a "boot device selection menu", according to page 92 of that manual it's the "Esc" (escape) key.

So if you turn OFF your PC (not reboot), then turn it ON and immediately hit and hold the "Esc" key, are you presented with the boot device selection menu ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 08, 2016, 08:58:16 pm
No response from start plus ESC. Searched for boot device: "boot device inaccessible". Immediately followed by automatic internet search revealing a number of websites offering assistance.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 08, 2016, 10:16:36 pm
If you cannot access the boot device selection screen you'll need to edit the BIOS to set the USB as the first boot device.

According to the manual (starting page 71) you'll need to unlock the USB ports, then set USB as the first boot device.

link to the manual page 71
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf#71 (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf#71)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 09, 2016, 07:14:25 am
Quote
No response from start plus ESC. Searched for boot device: "boot device inaccessible". Immediately followed by automatic internet search revealing a number of websites offering assistance.
I expect that you were already booted to Windows by then.
You need to hit "Esc." (only) BEFORE booting into windows, at the bios stage. You need to be quick. Suggest holding down or repeatedly hitting the key immediately after the power button was pressed.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 09, 2016, 09:54:23 am
When in the BIOS selection screen (page 72), Boot option #1 , is "USB" adequate or should it be "Peppermint-7"?
 
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 09, 2016, 02:26:13 pm
Selected BIOS in the search box and came up with some internet info including an Asus window. Called it up. Said that it is not possible to access BIOs in Windows 10. Instructed to hod down SHIFT while shutting down. Restart holding down F2 and Aptio Setup Utility appears. Managed eventually (in the absence of the usual pointer) to get to:

Boot Configuration
Boot Option #1                                    Windows Boot Manager
Boot Option #2                                    Windows Boot Manager
Boot Option#3                                      UEFI: SanDisk

Add New Boot Option
Delete Boot Option

Too frightened to go further.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 09, 2016, 06:28:57 pm
Change UEFI: SanDisk to the #1 position

So it reads:
Boot Option #1                                    UEFI: SanDisk
Boot Option #2                                    Windows Boot Manager
Boot Option#3                                      Windows Boot Manager

SAVE the settings and reboot.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 09, 2016, 07:16:29 pm
Saving has shut down the computer and restarted it. I don't know how to reboot.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 09, 2016, 08:31:22 pm
That **is** rebooting.

If you had the SanDisk USB stick inserted, did the PC start into Peppermint or Windows ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 09, 2016, 08:53:37 pm
Started in USB stick(D)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 10, 2016, 12:54:33 am
And did Peppermint start or Windows ?

I'm guessing it started Windows as you mention "D" which sounds like you mean a driver letter in Windows ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 10, 2016, 08:37:57 am
Upon starting USB-STICK (D:) was highlighted. C is the OS ie Windows
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 10, 2016, 08:43:02 am
Should have said that it was a shortcut to the USB Stick
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SneakyTommy on November 10, 2016, 10:08:10 am
any chance you could take a photo what is happening on your screen during the boot process? from what you describing - that doesnt make any sense, D: drive C: drive or icons? that shouldnt happen at all unless you logged in to Microsoft Windows. it should just boot into linux on this usb straight away after restart. or at least error message of some sort.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 10, 2016, 10:41:31 am
USB-Stick now has 160KB of something or other. A copy of Peppermint -7-20160616-amd64.iso, 21KB, is still in Documents and in Downloads. These are labelled TORRENT. There is also Peppermint-(D)-shortcut in Downloads. D is the label of the USB port.

Apparently our posts crossed. I have just restarted my computer in the usual way; no pressing of F2 . The usual desktop window comes up with a list of files & programs down the left including Peppermint-D shortcut which  refers to the USB stick. Pressing F2 during start produces the same result. 
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 10, 2016, 01:07:02 pm
Okay if your Pepermint ISO is only 21Kb in size and is a torrent you have the wrong file and that explains why you are having problems creating a LiveUSB from it

The Peppermint ISO file should be roughly 1Gb in size.

Download it again from here:
https://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-7-20160616-amd64.iso
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 10, 2016, 03:35:45 pm
Downloaded but apparently to DVD Drive (E:) . There isn't one on this computer. Size 1.02 GB which sounds more like it.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 10, 2016, 07:23:51 pm
Copy in Downloads.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 10, 2016, 10:01:49 pm
If it's approx 1Gb in size, try creating a LiveUSB with it.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 11, 2016, 04:05:31 pm
Cannot "Write". "Error 32. The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process".
Is this anything to do with the fact, reported yesterday at 3.35, that Peppermint-7 has been downloaded to DVD Drive E: which does not exist on this computer. Otherwise I have no idea what "process" is causing the problem.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 11, 2016, 06:13:09 pm
Apparently there is a "Virtual DVD drive" on this computer. I've been spending a great deal of time on the Peppermint web site trying to find out why the file has been downloaded to a DVD location. Apart from saying that Peppermint can be downloaded to USB sticks and cards and DVD drives there is no information on how you choose assuming you have a choice. Nor is there any source of help or advice on the subject.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 11, 2016, 07:24:50 pm
Just thought I'd have a go with dear old RUFUS. Unless I'm much mistaken I have USB -stick D: with a used space of 1.02 GB.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 11, 2016, 07:44:24 pm
How do I "Boot to  the USB stick".
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 12, 2016, 12:12:52 am
We've already been through this starting here:
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=12947.msg106267#msg106267 (http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=12947.msg106267#msg106267)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 12, 2016, 11:07:06 am
Shut down and restarted after RUFUS so presumably the booting has been done. Have you any comments following my post of yesterday, 7.24pm. Have I got a "LiveUSB"?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 12, 2016, 11:53:20 am
Trust me, you'll know if you've booted to a properly created LiveUSB as you'll see Peppermint instead of Windows.

You now need to select it as the boot device and boot to it.

We've already been through "how" you do that.



It worries me that after 5 pages on this forum and a link to your PC's manual you're still having difficulty booting from a LiveUSB .. I don't mean to offend or put you off but do you think it would be a better idea to find a friend that can help rather than risk ending up breaking Windows too ?

.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SneakyTommy on November 14, 2016, 10:56:53 am
if you are not an IT person, maybe try to watch few videos on youtube? you can find hundreds of tutorials step-by-step how to create liveUSB, then how to boot it, how to install linux distro etc. Am I right to asume that Peppermint distro is just another distro based on Ubuntu? Same installator etc. if yes, then search for tutorials for how to install ubuntu from liveUSB. seriously it may be much easier to explain the process by watching the video rather than on the forum.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 14, 2016, 02:57:14 pm
Yep, same ubiquity installer, so any videos for Ubuntu / Lubuntu / Xubuntu / Mint / etc. will also apply to Peppermint :)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 15, 2016, 08:37:26 am
Mark, sincere regrets to have put you and your colleagues through such a tedious and frustrating business. I think the main problem has been a lack of common language. Apologies to all.

By the way, I have transferred (booted?) Peppermint-7 from the USB stick to my computer. Unfortunately no wi-fi or information on how to get it. So no software. Ah well, back to windows.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 15, 2016, 08:29:46 pm
Do you mean you're now able to "start" (boot) into Peppermint from the LiveUSB ?

Have you installed Peppermint yet ? .. if you haven't, don't yet, I just want to know if you have or not.

Let me know, and I might be able to help with the wireless.

"Booting" just means to "start" (initialise) an operating system .. ie. you turn on your computer and it "boots" into Windows or Linux .. if you have both installed you will be asked which one you want to boot into.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping

HTH :)

BTW, I didn't mean to suggest you were causing me any "frustration" .. I was simply worried in case we ended up in a situation where your computer had neither Windows OR Linux installed ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 16, 2016, 01:33:14 pm
Thanks for your response Mark. I have Peppermint-7 on my UX301LA. When I start up comes Peppermint with Menu, Firefox, Files and Terminal so it looks OK. Having noticed on someone else's post reference to the small icon bottom right next to "your system is up to date" I click on it and up comes "Authentication required by Wi-Fi Network" and asks for "Passwords or encryption keys required to access the wi-fi network ZyXEL_8E20". I don't know what password is required. If it refers to the router the password printed on the back is 1234 which doesn't work. I've tried the wi-fi key on the router and the WPS Pin but no luck.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 16, 2016, 01:38:12 pm
Have just entered my start-up password and after clicking "connect" the window disappears and silence reigns.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 16, 2016, 06:28:50 pm
Are you sure you're trying to connect to the correct network ?

LEFT-click the networkmanager icon by the clock and you should see a list of available networks .. click YOUR network, you will be prompted for your wireless key, enter it (remembering it IS case sensitive) and click "Connect".

If you've forgotten your wireless key I'm afraid there's nothing we can do.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 16, 2016, 08:21:01 pm
I have a wi-fi key printed on the back of the router ZyXEL_8E20 (lhnA9AuFi4VX3). Is this what you mean? The Network Connections window shows:                               
                       Name                              Last Used

                       Wi-Fi
                           Wi-Fi Connection 1      never
                           ZyXEL_8E20                never

I had to click edit and got "Editing ZyXEL". Clicking on the "ZyXEL" in Network Connections had no effect. This window shows:
                     SSID:                         ZyXEL_8E20
                     Mode:                         Client
                     BSSID:
                     Device:                       18:5E:OF:9D:77:A4
                     Cloned MAC address
                     MTU:                          automatic

Nowhere have I been invited to enter a wireless key unless BSSID refers to it.   
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 17, 2016, 12:38:30 am
RIGHT-click the networkmanager icon (by clock) and select "Edit Connections"

When "Network Connections" starts, in the left hand pane highlight "ZyXEL_8E20" by clicking it, and click the "Delete" button on the right.

Close the "Network Connections" window with the "Close" button.

Now normal LEFT-click (not right-click), the networkmanager con by the clock again .. you should see a list of networks including "ZyXEL_8E20", click on "ZyXEL_8E20" and you should be prompted with the dialog "Authentication required by Wi-Fi network" and asking for your wireless password.

Enter your password, and click the "Connect" button.


Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 17, 2016, 09:06:50 am
Have done that but: "Connection activation failed". "Connection could not be found"
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 17, 2016, 11:28:37 am
are you able to connect the Zenbook to your router via an ethernet cable ?

If so, can you open  terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) and post the output from these commands:
Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C network
and
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lspci -vnn | grep -i net
and
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rfkill list
and
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iwlist scan
and
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iwconfig
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 17, 2016, 04:02:15 pm
Unfortunately no.  Entered sudo.... Answer "[sudo] password for Robert (that's a name I had to enter during or after booting). Not possible to enter anything. Large amount of script following lspci.... so not possible to record it all here. Same with other codes. As a matter of interest how do you manage to emphasise some of the code symbols@
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 17, 2016, 06:27:40 pm
Three days ago I e-mailed Asus for some assistance regarding wi-fi connection.I have just received a reply to the effect that the device, ie Ux301LA, does not support the linux os.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 17, 2016, 08:21:27 pm
Unfortunately no.  Entered sudo.... Answer "[sudo] password for Robert (that's a name I had to enter during or after booting). Not possible to enter anything. Large amount of script following lspci.... so not possible to record it all here. Same with other codes. As a matter of interest how do you manage to emphasise some of the code symbols@

When you enter your password (after sudo) nothing will show, not even ******.
What you enter IS registered and the command will act on it.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 18, 2016, 01:22:10 am
Ignore what ASUS say, that just means THEY don't support Linux.

In addition to SeZo's instructions above, if you can't connect via an ethernet cable you'll need to copy the terminal output and paste it into a text file .. copy that text file (via USB stick) to a PC that you can get on the web with .. then post it here.

But we can't provide help if we don't know what we're working with.

This would be MUCH easier you can connect to your router via ethernet cable whilst we fix the wireless.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 18, 2016, 05:31:34 pm
Well I'll do my best but remember, I'm new to Peppermint. A question: the vertical code symbol. Is this a figure one or a lower case L?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 18, 2016, 07:49:10 pm
On most keyboards...

| = Shift+\

But it would probably be easiest to just copy/paste commands into the terminal.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 21, 2016, 03:03:26 pm
I have a picture of the terminal, It's not awfully clear but I  can e-mail it to you if you let me have your e-mail address.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 22, 2016, 06:43:37 pm
Found a bit of wire in the box so now connected to the internet. Have your first terminal up. How do I get it to you?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 22, 2016, 07:40:55 pm
Highlight it all in the terminal by clicking at the end, then whilst holding the mouse button down drag the cursor to the beginning .. once it's all highlighted, right-click the highlighted text and select "Copy".

Leaving the terminal open, open your web browser and come here .. open a reply, then right-click in the forum editor and select "Paste".

Then once the text is in the forum editor .. post it.

Or watch how to copy/paste in the video here:-
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4546.0.html
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 22, 2016, 08:23:16 pm
There is no "Reply" location, only "Print". Where is the Forum editor?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 22, 2016, 09:36:44 pm
The box you typed in when you typed

"There is no "Reply" location, only "Print". Where is the Forum editor?"

Watch the video.

[EDIT]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but if you can't figure out how to copy/paste after watching a video I'm back to worrying you're not ready for following instructions to install Linux and are risking messing up your system altogether.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 23, 2016, 08:43:30 am
I have two laptops here, an old Toshiba which I use to communicate with you via Google Chrome and the new Asus which is the cause of all the trouble. The latter is connected by ethernet cable and downloads you via something called DuckDuck (!) which appears after clicking on Firefox Web Browser. The window that comes up is in all respects similar to the one on the Toshiba but there is no Reply option, only Print. Why is this?

Asus have sent me a further e-mail stating that the UX301LA DOES NOT SUPPORT LINUX. Are we all wasting our time here?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SneakyTommy on November 23, 2016, 09:42:19 am
yeah they officially may not support it, but if it runs MS Windows then you can definitely run Linux on it.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 23, 2016, 12:25:05 pm
Sneaky Tommy, what if Asus has software installed which blocks wi-fi access?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 23, 2016, 01:33:13 pm
Asus have sent me a further e-mail stating that the UX301LA DOES NOT SUPPORT LINUX. Are we all wasting our time here?

I doubt it .. you've already tested Peppermint work except for wireless, and I'm pretty certain wireless can be made to work if you can get the output I requested to me.

If you can connect via an ethernet cable .. just post the output I asked for and we'll take it from there.

ASUS are likely saying that THEY won't provide support for Linux (basically because their support staff don't have the skills).
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 23, 2016, 06:42:03 pm
I repeat: There is no "Reply", only "Print". I cannot select "Reply" if it isn't there. If I cannot select "Reply" I cannot proceed with paste. Videos are no help in these circumstances.

As to the pejorative comments under EDIT I should point out that I have prepared a USB stick of Peppermint-7 and installed the software in my laptop entirely unsupervised. Certainly this could not have been achieved without the preparatory help and instruction provided by the members of the Forum.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 23, 2016, 07:58:48 pm
Quote
I repeat: There is no "Reply", only "Print". I cannot select "Reply" if it isn't there. If I cannot select "Reply" I cannot proceed with paste.

Like how you posted that, you can post the return of the commands (from the terminal) Mark asked for. The Reply button appears (along the bottom of the page) once you have logged into this forum. Are you saying that this is not the case?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: wishbone on November 23, 2016, 08:06:21 pm
The reply button is at the leftof the bottom row of buttons, as per image below.

http://imgur.com/a/zLIKT (http://imgur.com/a/zLIKT)

Apologies if this is clouding the issues.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 23, 2016, 09:21:26 pm
Quote from: Osmond
I repeat: There is no "Reply", only "Print". I cannot select "Reply" if it isn't there. If I cannot select "Reply" I cannot proceed with paste. Videos are no help in these circumstances.

You need to be logged onto the forum for the "Reply" button to appear .. otherwise only "Print" shows.

You obviously know how to log on and post, you've done so many times.

.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 24, 2016, 03:59:38 pm
Thanks. I didn't realise I had to sign in again with user name and password on a new machine.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 24, 2016, 04:04:18 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for robert:
  *-network DISABLED     
       description: Wireless interface
       product: Wireless 7265
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
       logical name: wlp2s0
       version: 59
       serial: 18:5e:0f:9d:77:a4
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=4.4.0-24-generic firmware=16.242414.0 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn
       resources: irq:48 memory:f7000000-f7001fff
  *-network
       description: Ethernet interface
       physical id: 1
       logical name: enx9cebe8381a77
       serial: 9c:eb:e8:38:1a:77
       size: 100Mbit/s
       capacity: 1Gbit/s
       capabilities: ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8152 driverversion=v1.08.2 duplex=full ip=192.168.1.4 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 24, 2016, 11:34:51 pm
Caan I also have the output from these commands:
Code: [Select]
lspci -vnn | grep -i net
and
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rfkill list
please.

[EDIT]

According to the manual (page 32):
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf#32 (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/UX301LA/E_eManual_UX301_VER8435.pdf#32)

the key combination:-

Fn+F2

Enables/Disables wirless (airplane mode) .. can you try hitting Fn+F2 (at the same time) and see if wireless springs to life ?
(be aware, you'll have to remove the ethernet cable before you'll know as a wired connection takes precedence over wireless)

.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 25, 2016, 03:52:28 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ lspci -vnn | grep -i net
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59)
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $












robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ lspci -vnn | grep -i net
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59)
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

















robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ lspci -vnn | grep -i net
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59)
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $









robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ lspci -vnn | grep -i net
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59)
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $












robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
1: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

























Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 26, 2016, 01:42:30 am
Does running:
Code: [Select]
sudo rfkill unblock all
make wireless spring to life ?

if not, what's the output from:
Code: [Select]
rfkill list
and
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lsmod | grep asus
after running the first command ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 10:31:19 am
1LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $










Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 10:36:17 am
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ lsmod | grep asus
asus_nb_wmi            24576  0
asus_wmi               28672  1 asus_nb_wmi
sparse_keymap          16384  1 asus_wmi
wmi                    20480  1 asus_wmi
video                  40960  2 i915,asus_wmi
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
















Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 26, 2016, 12:31:57 pm
1LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Try:
Code: [Select]
sudo rfkill unblock 1
then
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sudo rfkill unblock 2
then
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rfkill list
If that returns 'Soft blocked: no' for both items then try:
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sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service 
See if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 01:27:55 pm
B ~ $ sudo rfkill unblock 1
[sudo] password for robert:
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for robert:
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $


















Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 01:30:54 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo rfkill unblock 2
[sudo] password for robert:
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $





















Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 01:34:30 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $










Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 26, 2016, 02:20:54 pm
Have you tried to restart networking with?
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sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service
Did that make make wireless spring to life ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 02:55:08 pm
Afraid not "Server not found". Any good shutting down & restarting?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 26, 2016, 04:17:33 pm
Run:
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sudo rfkill unblock all
then
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sudo rfkill unblock 1
then
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sudo rfkill unblock 2
then post the output from:
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sudo iwlist scan
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 05:17:29 pm
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robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ rfkill unblock all
Can't open RFKILL control device: Permission denied
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

Code: [Select]
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo iwlist scan
[sudo] password for robert:
lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlp2s0    Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

enx9cebe8381a77  Interface doesn't support scanning.

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 26, 2016, 06:09:41 pm
Prefix the command with sudo
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sudo rfkill unblock all
then repeat Mark's instructions.
Any reason for doing only selected commands (when asked to do all)?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 26, 2016, 06:28:01 pm
Code: [Select]
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo rfkill unblock all
[sudo] password for robert:
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

Code: [Select]
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo rfkill unblock all
[sudo] password for robert:
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo rfkill unblock 1
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ L
L: command not found
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

Code: [Select]
block 2
[sudo] password for robert:
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

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robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo iwlist scan
[sudo] password for robert:
lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlp2s0    Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

enx9cebe8381a77  Interface doesn't support scanning.

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 26, 2016, 09:25:26 pm
okay, run:
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sudo pluma /etc/modprobe.d/asus_nb_wmi.conf
when a BLANK file opens, add a single line that reads
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options asus_nb_wmi wapf=4
SAVE the file and exit pluma.

REBOOT  <-- IMPORTANT

Once rebooted, post the output from:
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rfkill list
and
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sudo iwlist scan



Can you please not put so much blank space in your replies, it makes them awkward to read .. I've tidied up your last two replies, and thanks in advance ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 27, 2016, 02:38:27 pm
 rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: yes
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo iwlist scan
[sudo] password for robert:
lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlp2s0    Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

enx9cebe8381a77  Interface doesn't support scanning.

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 27, 2016, 03:53:34 pm
okay now run:
Code: [Select]
sudo rfkill unblock all
then
Code: [Select]
sudo rfkill unblock 1
then
Code: [Select]
sudo rfkill unblock 2
then post the output from:
Code: [Select]
rfkill list
and
Code: [Select]
sudo iwlist scan
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 27, 2016, 07:05:16 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo iwlist scan
[sudo] password for robert:
lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlp2s0    Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

enx9cebe8381a77  Interface doesn't support scanning.

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
























Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 27, 2016, 07:07:49 pm
what's the output from
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iwconfig

[EDIT]

After doing the above, and whilst still connected via an ethernet cable, run these commands in sequence
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sudo apt-get update
then
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sudo apt-get upgrade
then
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sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
once that has finished, REBOOT

Once rebooted, post the output from:
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uname -a
and
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sudo lshw -C network
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 27, 2016, 09:59:11 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ iwconfig
lo        no wireless extensions.

wlp2s0    IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:off/any 
          Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=0 dBm   
          Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
          Power Management:on
         
enx9cebe8381a77  no wireless extensions.

robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $













Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 27, 2016, 10:04:14 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ uname -a
Linux robert-UX301LAB 4.4.0-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 8 19:27:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for robert:
  *-network DISABLED     
       description: Wireless interface
       product: Wireless 7265
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
       logical name: wlp2s0
       version: 59
       serial: 18:5e:0f:9d:77:a4
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=4.4.0-24-generic firmware=16.242414.0 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn
       resources: irq:49 memory:f7000000-f7001fff
  *-network
       description: Ethernet interface
       physical id: 1
       logical name: enx9cebe8381a77
       serial: 9c:eb:e8:38:1a:77
       size: 100Mbit/s
       capacity: 1Gbit/s
       capabilities: ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8152 driverversion=v1.08.2 duplex=full ip=192.168.1.4 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $

Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 28, 2016, 11:37:47 am
run:
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sudo rfkill unblock all
then
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sudo rfkill unblock 1
then
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sudo rfkill unblock 2
then
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nmcli radio wifi on
then post the output from:
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nmcli dev wifi list
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 28, 2016, 07:32:38 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ nmcli dev wifi list
*  SSID        MODE   CHAN  RATE       SIGNAL  BARS  SECURITY 
   ZyXEL_8E20  Infra  8     54 Mbit/s  80      ???_  WPA1 WPA2
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $




















Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 29, 2016, 01:21:41 pm
is that your network (ZyXEL_8E20) ?

Can you connect to it ?

and if so, does it survive a reboot ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 29, 2016, 02:52:33 pm
Yes. No.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 29, 2016, 07:41:59 pm
Okay, can you reboot (so it's NOT working) then post the output from:
Code: [Select]
rfkill list
and
Code: [Select]
nmcli dev
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 29, 2016, 08:25:26 pm
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
2: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
3: asus-bluetooth: Bluetooth
   Soft blocked: no
   Hard blocked: no
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $ nmcli dev
DEVICE           TYPE      STATE         CONNECTION         
enx9cebe8381a77  ethernet  connected     Wired connection 1
wlp2s0           wifi      disconnected  --                 
lo               loopback  unmanaged     --                 
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $





Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on November 30, 2016, 03:12:17 pm
Okay that looks like wireless is working, just that it's not connected.

Right-click on the networkmanager icon (by the clock) and select "Edit Connections"

If there is a WiFi connection listed called "ZyXEL_8E20", click on it to highlight it, then click the "Delete" button.

Click the "Close" button.

Now normal (left) click the networkmanager icon (by the clock) and in the list of networks click on "ZyXEL_8E20" .. you should be prompted for your wireless password .. enter it and click "Connect".
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 30, 2016, 06:16:00 pm
Wireless password? Is this a feature of the router ZyXEL_8E20? I have a wi-fi  key, WPS pin, IP address, User name, MAC address and Password all to  do with the router. Have tried wi-fi key and Pin to no effect
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on November 30, 2016, 08:27:02 pm
Can you log into the router and see what passphrase was set for the wireless?
I assume the security is WPA-WPA2.
If you have tried the correct passphrase and still would not connect, then (just to prove it is able to connect) disable the wireless security on the router. Once established that it can connect to the router without security, then put your router security back to what it was before.   
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on November 30, 2016, 09:50:33 pm
I've found a "Homegroup" password. That didn't work. The security type of the router is WPA2-PSK. I don't know how to disable/enable the router security.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 01, 2016, 05:17:23 am
Have you got a Windows PC with a working wireless connection ?

If so, here's a video showing where to find your wireless password (in Windows 7)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Q4Km5TIwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Q4Km5TIwo)

And remember, passwords ARE case sensitive ;)

.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 01, 2016, 03:54:53 pm
I have been speaking to my ISP, the Post Office, who have told me that they have been having problems with the ZyXEL router and will send me a new one. This will take a few days so you will be able to have a rest from this troublesome project. Will contact you again in due course. Thanks for your help so far.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 01, 2016, 10:45:06 pm
Okay Osmond, good luck with the new router :)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: wishbone on December 02, 2016, 08:38:32 pm
I have been speaking to my ISP, the Post Office, who have told me that they have been having problems with the ZyXEL router and will send me a new one. This will take a few days so you will be able to have a rest from this troublesome project. Will contact you again in due course. Thanks for your help so far.


This could be the reason why you`ve been having problems.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38167453 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38167453)

 I have had a few problems as well, although all seems well now (crossing fingers).
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 02, 2016, 08:53:22 pm
Yeah I spotted that earlier and immediately thought .. Ahh, that's why they're replacing Osmonds router.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 07, 2016, 10:56:34 am
Peppermint-7 Software Manager not working properly. The window shown in section 4 of Peppermint user guide does not appear. Is there an update?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 08, 2016, 09:10:38 am
My ISP, the Post Office, have confirmed that my router is working properly and have provided a new wireless password. This works and I am now connected wirelessly to the internet. Many thanks to you and others for your determination and patience in solving what was apparently a complex problem.

 
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 08, 2016, 09:50:13 am
Terrific news Osmond, and for my part you're most welcome :)

Are you still having problems with the update manager ?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 08, 2016, 05:40:12 pm
I am in Software Manager. I click on Office, then Libroffice-calc.The entry is highlighted but there is no instal button. Ther is no window similar to that shown in the User Guide section 4.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: wishbone on December 08, 2016, 08:09:41 pm
Why not try installing it from synaptic package manager.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 08, 2016, 10:08:25 pm
Open Software Manager

Click on the Office category

Double-click on libreoffice-calc

Click the Install button
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 09, 2016, 06:25:27 pm
Thanks Mark. I obviously have to be a bit quicker with the double click than I have been used to. Clearly entering a faster world altogether with Peppermint.

Have successfully downloade Office and Calc. Nice to use.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 09, 2016, 09:00:47 pm
No problem Osmond .. as wishbone suggests above, the weapon of choice for the initiated tends to be the Synaptic Package Manager rather than the "Software Manager", it's not so pretty but having been around "forever" it's as solid and reliable as it gets, more functional, and just "does the job". :)

I'll guarantee that if you stick with Linux (or at least a Debian based distribution of Linux) it'll end up being your tool of choice too at some point.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 13, 2016, 08:36:01 am
I'll give it a try Mark, thank you. How do I get rid of Windows 10?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on December 13, 2016, 01:11:03 pm
So I take it the PC is currently "dual boot" (were you choose which OS to boot into shortly after turning on your PC) ?

Can you boot into Peppermint, open a terminal, and post the output from this command:
Code: [Select]
sudo fdisk -l
so we can get an idea of you current partition layout.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 15, 2016, 08:32:45 am


Disk /dev/ram9: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram10: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram11: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram12: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram13: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram14: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/ram15: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


Disk /dev/sda: 119.2 GiB, 128035676160 bytes, 250069680 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: A7916F7F-7415-4267-8630-3243538D5BFD

Device         Start       End   Sectors  Size Type
/dev/sda1       2048    534527    532480  260M EFI System
/dev/sda2     534528    567295     32768   16M Microsoft reserved
/dev/sda3     567296 161768242 161200947 76.9G Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda4  249047040 250068991   1021952  499M Windows recovery environment
/dev/sda5  161769472 232468479  70699008 33.7G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda6  232468480 249047039  16578560  7.9G Linux swap

Partition table entries are not in disk order.
robert@robert-UX301LAB ~ $
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on December 18, 2016, 08:11:47 am
Any more information on removing Windows 10?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: SeZo on December 18, 2016, 11:20:18 am
If you are 100% sure that you want to get rid of Windows (and you have all important data backed up) then I would suggest (as there is no easy way to remove Windows 10 and keep Peppermint) to start again with a fresh install of Peppermint. Only this time choose on the "Installation type" screen select the "Erase Disk and install Peppermint" option.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on January 03, 2017, 08:53:25 am
Sorry for the delay in replying SeZo- domestic commitments. Thanks for your advice about Windows 10 removal. I think I'll stand fast for the time being.
I'm having trouble with Panel: stuck with panel 4 and cannot change it. How do I get back to the default settings?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on January 03, 2017, 11:54:25 am
If you're using Peppermint 7 (WARNING - the script included in these instructions is ONLY for Peppermint 7, using it in ANY other distro or version may break your panel)...

To reset the panel back to defaults in Peppermint 7 - Open a terminal by hitting Ctrl+Alt+T

Now run these commands in sequence:
Code: [Select]
cd ~
then
Code: [Select]
wget --no-check-certificate https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31525164/reset-pm7-panel.tar.gz
then
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tar xvf reset-pm7-panel.tar.gz
then
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./reset-pm7-panel.sh
You will be presented with the logout dialog .. CHOOSE LOGOUT  <-- It s VERY IMPORTANT that you choose "Logout"

Then log back on.

Panel and whiskermenu should now be back to defaults.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on January 05, 2017, 03:03:19 pm
Thanks Mark. Not quite where I was before but I won't be meddling with Panel Settings again.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on January 05, 2017, 08:20:05 pm
You you should be back to where you were before .. but probably a long time before (default, how the panel came out of the box) ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on February 01, 2017, 11:02:29 am
Using Firefox in Peppermint 7 to download Forum there is no "REPLY ADDPOLL...............PRINT" unlike downloading using google Chrome in Windows 7. Only "PRINT". Why is this?
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on February 01, 2017, 03:05:25 pm
Because you're not logged onto the forum ;) .. those buttons only become visible when you're logged on so have permission to make changes on the forum, only "Print" is available if you're NOT logged on as that's all you have permission to do without being logged on.
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on February 01, 2017, 05:34:52 pm
Pretty obvious when you think about it which I didn't.Thanks Mark
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on February 01, 2017, 08:18:12 pm
No worries mate, I'd be lying if I said I'd never done exactly the same thing :-[
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on February 07, 2017, 09:40:42 am
As a linux novice I have been searching for literature which may get me past GUI and into the grownup stuff. Here are a few titles I have found on Amazon:

Linux Manual,  Mike Saunders.   Linux for Beginners, Steven Jones.   Linux for Beginners, Rebecca Dwight.   Linux: The Complete Manual, Jim Martin.

Most of these appear to deal with Ubuntu whereas I have Peppermint 7. Comments and advice would be welcome. 
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on February 07, 2017, 12:28:06 pm
99.999% of Ubuntu documentation/help/resources will apply to Peppermint as Peppermint is Ubuntu based .. specially where the GUI is removed from the picture ;)
Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Osmond on February 10, 2017, 08:23:38 am
Thanks Mark. Any comments on the list of books?

Title: Re: prospective linux user
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on February 12, 2017, 01:13:07 am
Not really, what's good for one person is gibberish to another .. I for example have never learned much from books (when consciously trying anyway), I learn more from experimentation and researching specific issues so I have no idea what books are "good" or not.

I mean the CompTIA Linux+ Study Guide is probably full of good stuff, but a light read it probably isn't :)

Please don't take that as a recommendation .. as I said I don't read educational/instructional books, I simply don't learn that way .. I'm more Google research/reference manual oriented.
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