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is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:55:42 pm »
Matthias Clasen on the behalf of the GNOME Release Team has announced that they have decided to eliminate GNOME's "fallback mode" with the upcoming 3.8 release that allowed a "GNOME classic" mode that didn't depend upon OpenGL/3D rendering and was more like the GNOME2 traitional desktop.

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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 04:04:13 pm »
Yes. .. big time. Try running a Gnome desktop on an NX (no machine.com) connection ... just for kickoff ....  >:(

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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 04:21:47 pm »
Too right it is .. Gnome seem intent on self destructing  ::)

With the rise of ARM, and the fact that currently there isn't an open-source Linux graphics driver with OpenGL support for any ARM SoC. why would anyone think it a good idea to get "heavier" .. I'm baffled by this, they're obviously aiming the Gnome3 desktop at mobile .. but making it nearly useless on ARM ???

LLVMpipe will drown an ARM chip.
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 04:37:57 pm »
all I can say is long live LXDE

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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 04:40:34 pm »
Yeh, the upside may be that more development gets done on LXDE :)
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 04:49:46 pm »
and XFCE ,  ENLIGHTENMENT (E17)
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 04:52:32 pm »
I am going to be the N00B in the room, ENLIGHTENMENT?????????

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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 04:54:42 pm »
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 04:56:40 pm »
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Isn't Cinnamon built on gnome-session-fallback ?
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 05:07:15 pm »
now youve said that i think it may be  :-[ oop's sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 08:30:26 pm »
Isn't Cinnamon built on gnome-session-fallback ?

I think you will find that it is a fork of the Gnome Shell
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 08:34:52 pm »
Granted .. but it's still a fork of "gnome-session-fallback" part of the shell .. you only have to run gnome-session-fallback in Ubuntu to see Cinnamon is the same thing in green, with the slab menu.

Really it's just a "tweaked" gnome-session-fallback.

So (unless I'm mistaken) Cinnamon won't be able to move beyond Gnome 3.(whatever came before 8 ..7 ?).

I can't see how Cinnamon won't be affected by this, unless they fork a lot more of the code
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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 12:53:19 am »
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I can't see how Cinnamon won't be affected by this, unless they fork a lot more of the code

Looking at the Linux Mint 14 blog it will drop Gnome3 Shell and Fallback
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Cinnamon comes with Gnome 3. Shell and Gnome Fallback won’t be installed by default but you can easily add them (just like in Linux Mint 13 Cinnamon)

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Re: is gnome dropping "fallback" a bad idea
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 01:47:45 am »
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the underpinning of Cinnamon .. but it "looks and behaves" one hell of a lot like gnome-seesion-fallback, that much so that even though it might be separate "packages" I'm still betting it uses most of the gnome-session-fallback code just re-packaged as it were.
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