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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #195 on: January 02, 2013, 07:56:50 pm »
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All I know is if you find some hardware that doesn't work out-of-the-box, or is no longer supported in Windows, you're stuffed .. at least with Linux there's *usually* a workaround/fix/tweak and a community that tries to help.

That's exactly the attraction I was talking about... but is that a strength or a weakness ? because nowadays we have become so brainwashed that if we come across a piece of hardware Windows doesn't support we just go buy a new one....it's kinda the Windows way :)



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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #196 on: January 02, 2013, 08:13:51 pm »
A matter of perspective I suppose .. me, I'm in it for the fun of learning so I know which I prefer.

Windows can certainly claim manufacturer/hardware support as a strength .. Linux can claim "community" support, and their ability to find ways to get non supported hardware working.

I'd call that a tie .. but Windows (and the proprietary world as a whole) has many other issues that I think FAR outweigh the slightly harder work of getting Linux tweaked the way you want it

Also .. there's nothing stopping you buying a new capture card that is known to be Linux friendly .. in "kinda the Windows way" .. the same can't be said the other way round ;)

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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #197 on: January 02, 2013, 09:10:45 pm »
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Yes, we had a Betamax (papa was Patent Lawyer so we got stuff before the shops did). It had cassettes the size of house bricks and each one was 30 minutes long (enough to record MASH). The buttons needed a small hammer to operate and the whole unit was the size of a medium suitcase. Many chins on the floor when I showed that to school friends ("you can record the TV?").

We also had this weird unit with a keypad on the end of a huge length of wire that displayed pages of text on the TV screen (teletext). Never understood that idea, it seems to be broken from the outset - cruddy looking text and pages that took ages to load - a bit like going online with Windows 98 and a dial up modem used to be.
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #198 on: January 02, 2013, 09:18:29 pm »
You don't still have it do you mine is f***ed :)
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #199 on: January 02, 2013, 09:30:32 pm »
First the Betamax then the VHS...
You seems to be jinxed with this recording business :) 
That output by the way does not give any clues in respect of the sound.

Will resume (if you still want to) once you got the new gear.
But you might be outta luck with the Betamax, they are a bit scarce nowdays ;)
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #200 on: January 02, 2013, 09:42:07 pm »
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First the Betamax then the VHS...
You seems to be jinxed with this recording business
   

I couldn't agree more but god loves a trier,

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But you might be outta luck with the Betamax, they are a bit scarce nowdays

I have a friend (yes I still have 1 or 2 left) who served his time on these things who tells me he'll fix it for me (actually it's just a rubber band that's the problem)

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Will resume (if you still want to) once you got the new gear.

I definitely want to do this because I have film of my daughter when she was a child and it's on one of the Betamax tapes and I want to preserve it

So in the words of the great Arnie Schwarzenegger "I'll be back"

Thanks for your help with this so far it's much appreciated


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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #201 on: January 06, 2013, 10:36:25 am »
Hi Guys

Ok I got the VHS up and running again so I'm back in business, (never shine a light inside a VCR)

Just to recap from where we left off, I can now record video and audio by tuning the signal using xawtv then closing xawtv, opening VLC to get the picture, then re-opening xawtv to get sound

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Here's the terminal outputs you asked for

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graeme@Linux1 ~ $ sudo updatedb
[sudo] password for graeme: 
graeme@Linux1 ~ $ locate xawtv
/home/graeme/.xawtv
/home/graeme/Documents/xawtv
/usr/bin/xawtv
/usr/bin/xawtv-remote
/usr/lib/xawtv
/usr/lib/xawtv/bilinear.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/conv-mjpeg.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/cubic.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/drv0-libv4l.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/drv0-v4l2.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/flt-disor.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/flt-gamma.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/flt-invert.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/flt-smooth.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/linear-blend.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/linedoubler.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/read-avi.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/read-dv.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/snd-oss.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/write-avi.so
/usr/lib/xawtv/write-dv.so
/usr/share/xawtv
/usr/share/doc/xawtv
/usr/share/doc/xawtv-plugins
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/NEWS.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.bttv.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.lirc
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.network
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.recording.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.translate
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/README.xfree4
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/copyright
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/frequencies-europe.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv/frequencies-japan
/usr/share/doc/xawtv-plugins/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/xawtv-plugins/copyright
/usr/share/lintian/overrides/xawtv-plugins
/usr/share/linuxmint/mintinstall/icons/xawtv48x48.xpm
/usr/share/linuxmint/mintinstall/installed/xawtv48x48.xpm
/usr/share/man/es/man1/xawtv-remote.1.gz
/usr/share/man/es/man1/xawtv.1.gz
/usr/share/man/es/man5/xawtvrc.5.gz
/usr/share/man/fr/man1/xawtv.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/xawtv-remote.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/xawtv.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man5/xawtvrc.5.gz
/usr/share/menu/xawtv
/usr/share/pixmaps/xawtv16x16.xpm
/usr/share/pixmaps/xawtv32x32.xpm
/usr/share/pixmaps/xawtv48x48.xpm
/usr/share/xawtv/Index.map
/usr/share/xawtv/argentina.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ccir-h.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ccir-i-iii.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ccir-sl-sh.list
/usr/share/xawtv/europe-east.list
/usr/share/xawtv/europe-west.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-bcast-jp.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-bcast.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-cable-ca.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-cable-jp.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-cable.list
/usr/share/xawtv/ntsc-hrc.list
/usr/share/xawtv/oirt-h.list
/usr/share/xawtv/oirt-i-iii.list
/usr/share/xawtv/oirt-sl-sh.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-australia-optus.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-australia.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-bcast-cn.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-bcast-za.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-ireland.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-italy.list
/usr/share/xawtv/pal-newzealand.list
/usr/share/xawtv/secam-france.list
/usr/share/xawtv/secam-russia.list
/usr/share/xawtv/uhf.list
/var/cache/apt/archives/xawtv-plugins_3.102-3_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/xawtv_3.102-3_i386.deb
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv-plugins.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv-plugins.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv-plugins.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv-plugins.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv-plugins.shlibs
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.conffiles
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.config
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xawtv.templates

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gedit /etc/X11/xawtvrc

shows empty file

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gedit ~/.xawtv

[global]
ratio = 4:3
freqtab = europe-west
pixsize = 128 x 96
pixcols = 1
jpeg-quality = 75
keypad-ntsc = no
keypad-partial = yes
osd = yes
osd-position = 30 , 20
use-wm-fullscreen = yes

# [Station name]
# capture = overlay | grabdisplay | on | off
# input = Television | Composite1 | S-Video | ...
# norm = PAL | NTSC | SECAM | ...
# channel = #
# fine = # (-128..+127)
# key = keysym | modifier+keysym
# color = #
# bright = #
# hue = #
# contrast = #

[defaults]
group = main
norm = PAL-BG
input = Television
capture = grab
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #202 on: January 06, 2013, 05:25:40 pm »
Welcome back...
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Just to recap from where we left off, I can now record video and audio by tuning the signal using xawtv then closing xawtv, opening VLC to get the picture, then re-opening xawtv to get sound

I am guessing that xawtv sets the audio output to the default :-\
Could you post the output from (might not exists):
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cat /etc/asound.conf
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #203 on: January 06, 2013, 05:28:23 pm »
Thanks for taking this up again :)


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graeme@Linux1 ~ $ cat /etc/asound.conf
cat: /etc/asound.conf: No such file or directory
graeme@Linux1 ~ $
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #204 on: January 06, 2013, 05:36:20 pm »
OK, see if you got this one:
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cat .asoundrc
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #205 on: January 06, 2013, 05:38:45 pm »
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graeme@Linux1 ~ $ cat .asoundrc
cat: .asoundrc: No such file or directory
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #206 on: January 06, 2013, 05:59:46 pm »
As expectd. Could you create one:
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gedit .asoundrc
then add the following:
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    pcm.!default {
            type hw
            card 0
    }

    ctl.!default {
            type hw
            card 0
    }
then save and exit
reboot or log out and back in and test

Also could you post:
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ls /proc/asound/card0
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #207 on: January 06, 2013, 07:00:32 pm »
Still no sound in VLC :(

Here's the output you asked for (after restart)

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graeme@Linux1 ~ $ ls /proc/asound/card0
codec#0  id  pcm0c  pcm0p  pcm2c
graeme@Linux1 ~ $


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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #208 on: January 06, 2013, 08:54:05 pm »
How did you set the video and sound devices for capture in VLC ?
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Re: Who remembers Betamax ?
« Reply #209 on: January 06, 2013, 09:09:45 pm »
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How did you set the video and sound devices for capture in VLC ?

Not as easy a question to answer as it might seem as there are so many options and permatations ( and I think I've tried them all) but as it is now

Capture Device
Video Device Name: /dev/video0
Audio Device Name: hw:0,0

Tools/Preferences/Audio
Output Module:  Default

Tools/Preferences/Video
Output: Default

There are many options in both Video and Audio preferences and I must have tried every permutation, to be honest the video quality isn't as good in VLC as it is in xawtv and the voice sync is out on VLC as well
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