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Why Linux Command-Line?
« on: April 09, 2013, 06:17:24 pm »
Hi
I have just registered here.
This is a video I created to explain why linux users tend to command line.
All comments are welcome.
If sound tracks are not clear, use English caption of this video.
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 07:04:58 pm »
Here it is with the video inserted with the tags below.
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 09:23:39 pm »
Beautifully made video :)
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 03:00:32 pm »
Great video, thanks but, I can do all of that from a gui as well.  ;)

Coming from Atari I have always been lazy regarding command line.  I did use MS dos a on a few occasions with Windows.  My first Linux distro was Kate and from that point i have only used gui except when prompted by Mark or others on this site.

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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 03:18:36 pm »
I have to agree with toonman here but if that video demonstrates anything it's just how powerful the command line can be in the hands of someone who understands the language, personally i would never be able to use the command line to that level although I am trying to learn and i have learned some basic commands, because i admire those who can use it.

For the average PC user like myself the command line is really a non starter and if Linux in general is to gain more widespread adoption good and intuitive gui's are imperative and something I think Linux is still lagging behind Windows although I think the gap is closing



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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 04:18:30 pm »
I think you missed Toonmans point.

What I think he was saying was most tasks in Linux CAN be done from the GUI.

The reason I give CLI instructions on this forum is because

a) they're easier to type

b) they leave less (no) room for user interpretation.

c) they can be copy/pasted

d) they often return useful info if something goes wrong

NOT because it can only be done from the command line.

The point to the video is that the Linux command line is uber-powerful, and can be quicker/easier than going through a ton of mouse clicks :)

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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 05:51:47 pm »
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What I think he was saying was most tasks in Linux CAN be done from the GUI.

I didn't disagree with that Mark, I was only trying to say that arashium's video shows just how powerful the command line could be, but that only applies to those who not only know how to write instructions in the terminal but can interprete the answers as well which most of us can't.

I understand your reasons for giving instructions in the terminal and it makes perfect sense, the only problem is that sometimes I feel like all I'm learning is how to copy and paste into a terminal in other words although you always solve the problem I rarely know how and I mean no disrespect when I say that :)


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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2013, 06:14:55 pm »
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I was only trying to say that arashium's video shows just how powerful the command line could be, but that only applies to those who not only know how to write instructions in the terminal but can interprete the answers as well which most of us can't.

Oh sure, there's a learning curve which can appear steep .. but I think the point of the video is to say "look it's worth it, and the CLI isn't to be feared" ;)

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the only problem is that sometimes I feel like all I'm learning is how to copy and paste into a terminal

There's nothing stopping you using the man pages to try understand what a given command is doing .. that's how I learned :)
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 04:15:31 pm »
Well,
let me explain somethings
first of all i have to say here i do not compare GUI with command-line. for people who have come from windows background, command-line of Linux reminds them CMD of windows. here i wanted to say that in Linux command-line is enough to do anything. of course i am running Ubuntu desktop and if i can do anything with GUI easier, definitely i would use GUI. but sometimes i need to cascade commands to run them on an HTML file to grab some Urls. or i want to download 100 direct links and check their md5 too. when loop of commands or even multiple commands have to be  are run, using command-line can be much easier. so do not compare single commands with GUI.
this video was not to teach anything to the professional Linux users, but to people who are reluctant to use Linux just because of command-line.
in addition most of video focused on the other aspects of command-line. for example, command line is more standard for all distributions, easily documented, easily programmed, etc.
my experience: GUI, command-line, command-line + GUI  :)
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2013, 04:29:54 pm »
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for people who have come from windows background, command-line of Linux reminds them CMD of windows

Heh .. most Windows users have no idea what cmd or the powershell is, and just get a strange blank look on their face when looking at a terminal prompt :)
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 04:36:09 pm »
I can't make up my mind whether that video makes me more frightened or less frightened of the command line but it was definitely impressive :)
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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2013, 10:00:28 am »
Wow, I have been using linux since 2004 and did not even think that ffmpeg could record the screen via console....this changes everything!!!

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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 02:48:44 pm »
even though command line is good for you programmer guys it can not be useful for normal users at all because it sucks

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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 02:54:17 pm »
Hi remnia, and welcome to the forum :)

I'm not a programmer, but I use the command line a lot .. simply because it's quicker (for some tasks) than going through menus and swapping windows, etc. ???

There are plenty of non-programmers that use the shell, and no doubt some programmers that can't/don't.

You don't "have" to use it, but it's there if you "choose" to.



It's also a LOT easier to help out on forums by giving the solution as commands.

Here's a little experiment for you .. you type instructions to move a file called "start.txt" from your desktop to your home folder, and rename it to "done.txt" using the GUI .. then compare your response to this:
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I'm betting your instructions are MUCH longer and harder to type .. on top of that, you can copy/paste mine .. still convinced it sucks ? ;)

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Re: Why Linux Command-Line?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 10:41:38 pm »
I am  a programmer (we prefer developer) and I spend at most 10% of my time in console. Most of the time we use tools like Eclipse and other build tools.


 


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