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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2014, 09:56:42 am »
The main problem is that programmes that you get on Windows are not made for Linux. I use music reader, page plus and dreamweaver. etc. only available for windows and apple. I don't dual boot and don't use wine because installing is too complicated and it wont run all windows programmes, so I  have to use a separate windows computer.  The people who make programmes for windows don't seem at all interested in Linux. Its such a shame because Linux is quicker and much more reliable.  PC World dont sell any Linux based computers. They say What's that.  Its seems there's some kind of conspiracy to keep Linux out of PC World and other computer shops.

It won't happen overnight, porting code from Windows to Linux takes quite a bit of developer resource (even for Java programs, which confuses me, as it defies the point of Java!). It's about a change over time, patience my young padawan :)

Sadly though, for the more "specialist" softwares, it's a case of demand. Stuff like Dreamweaver is used by a small section of business users, and Linux is also a small section. It's a bad combination for creating demand, coupled with the frustrating "chicken and egg" nature of porting software (i.e. "we won't port it as no-one uses Linux", and "we won't use Linux as nothing is ported to it"). Up till now, the answer has been "use alternative software" - e.g. Photoshop -> GIMP, MS Office -> Open/LibreOffice. However, companies like Valve are helping the software world make in-roads, creating demand and interest in Linux, which hopefully will cause other companies to prick up their ears and take note.

Side note - I wonder how difficult it would be to create an Android "version" of WINE? Kinda like an "AINE". In theory, you'd just need to port Dalvik (which should almost be copy-paste, as they both run on the Linux kernel!), then create a wrapper for the UI so that it uses the native WM rather than the Android XML-based one. Beyond me, but shouldn't be beyond everyone (probably not even beyond a college student!). It would allow Android apps to be executed on Linux desktops - could be another good pull onto Linux. Plus, stuff like Android widgets would work very nicely as desktop widgets or "desklets" as Cinnamon calls them, lol

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2014, 10:02:31 am »
I found 11 laptops with a Linux operating system pre installed on Amazon.co.uk so you can get a Linux computer from a mainstream supplier.

A number of my local independent computer shops have options to build you a Linux based computer.

The biggest issue for windows users is that the software they are used to dose not work out of the box on Linux.

I love Linux and would not go back to windows for my main day to day computing.

However I still need to use windows because I have been unable to find a Linux program that dose the same things as a windows program I have been using for many years.

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2014, 11:38:38 am »
What is it ? .. maybe someone on here knows of an alternative.

Emegra pointed me at "Manager" (accounts package) which I'm currently testing for someone .. first opinion is "it looks quite good", though I must add I only installed it yesterday so haven't properly tested it yet.

My point is - I was unaware of it, so can't hurt to ask ;)
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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2014, 12:34:35 pm »
I have asked before about website building software.

I have tried all the ones recommended in the past and have not found one that was Quick, easy to use and required no understanding of code or how it all works.

Must include drag an drop and up loading to different ISPs.

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2014, 02:03:31 pm »
Ahh .. OK maybe I was wrong, I wouldn't really expect much in the way of new web page authoring software .. I'm afraid nobody really uses statically authored websites any more, so nobody's likely to be developing tools for creating them :(
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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2014, 03:58:06 pm »
Forgive my ignorance, but how do people build websites nowadays then? It's all still HTML (with some Javascript) as far as I was aware

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2014, 08:11:32 pm »
Wordpress/Joomla/Drupal
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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2014, 09:49:58 pm »
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Emegra pointed me at "Manager" (accounts package) which I'm currently testing for someone

glad to hear your still looking at this, how do you find it so far ?





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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2014, 02:41:07 am »
gimme a couple of days and ask me again .. as I said, I've only just started reviewing it for a client.
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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2014, 05:46:23 pm »
not your imagination at all..its why i'm trying to get Mint linux working properly. I would really like to break free of MS once and for all and this is the best time to do it. I think a flock of newbies will be a good think for the open source movement however....they will be critical of parts of Linux where windows is so far ahead (network connectivity for example) - i think ts important for the community to understand the old point that the majority of users and only interested in achieving something  the 'I just want it to work view'. I think too that newbies need some preparation for how steep the learning curve is when something doesn’t work...

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2014, 05:52:08 pm »
I'm not convinced networking is harder in Linux .. what makes you say that ?

Or do you just mean networking with Windows PC's ? .. which is usually pretty simple accept for a default Windows setting in Vista/7/8

That said I haven't used Mint for some time .. but it used to be easy enough ???
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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2014, 07:35:35 pm »
Guess it depends on what you mean by 'work out of the box' and  'easy networking'.
While I haven't tried to use a printer or scanner, I've had no problems with networking.
Any problems I have encountered,,  straight to the cli  found and fixed.  You can't do that with windows.

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2014, 10:42:16 pm »
It is a bit like Car drivers, most do most have a clue how a car works.  They get in turn the key and expect to drive away.  It is the same with computer users (that's why laptops are so popular) Remove from box plug in turn on follow very simple instructions and everything is working.

In both cases if it dose not work they take it to a garage.  With Linux you have to have a basic understanding of how a computer works and the garage is few and far between.

Also if you install one version of Linux you may not be able to upgrade or change to another and keep all your files so there is a compatability issue between versions of Linux.......

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2014, 11:00:43 pm »
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Also if you install one version of Linux you may not be able to upgrade or change to another and keep all your files so there is a compatability issue between versions of Linux.......

I would disagree with that. You should always have an exit plan.
Put your /home on a separate partition and that way you keep your files between reinstalls or distro hopping. Simples... ;)

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Re: XP's demise
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2014, 07:30:12 am »
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Also if you install one version of Linux you may not be able to upgrade or change to another and keep all your files so there is a compatability issue between versions of Linux.......

I would disagree with that. You should always have an exit plan.
Put your /home on a separate partition and that way you keep your files between reinstalls or distro hopping. Simples... ;)

I'm intrigued.  How does that work? Surely by default Linux will save to it's own Home folder.
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