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QuoteAfter Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside.The e-mails of the celebrated programmer Linus Torvalds land like thunderbolts from on high onto public lists, full of invective, insults, and demeaning language. "Please just kill yourself now. The world will be a better place," he wrote in one. Torvalds has publicly posted thousands of scathing messages targeting programmers who submit what he deems flawed code to the Linux computer-operating-system kernel, which he brought to life more than twenty-five years ago and now administers as a collaborative, open-source project. Today, the Linux kernel is famous, running the enormous computers of Google, PayPal, Amazon, and eBay, and the two billion mobile phones using the Android operating system. Torvalds, though, retains final say over each precious line of code, just as he did when he first started working on the system as a graduate student at the University of Helsinki. For years, he has been known as Linux's "benevolent dictator for life."
QuoteAurora told me that she was groped at a Linux conference and that a senior administrator belittled her and told she lacked the talent to be a key developer. It never occurred to her to report the groping, she said. In 2007, Aurora began to withdraw from Linux programming. She is now a consultant to tech companies working on issues of inclusion and diversity.
QuoteMariatta Wijaya, a software engineer who was born in Indonesia and now lives and works in Vancouver, said that she attended her first Python conference in 2015, in Montreal, out of curiosity. During van Rossum's keynote address, he admitted that there were no women among its core developers. "He said he was willing to mentor women personally, if that is what it takes to improve the diversity," Wijaya recalled, "but I didn't reach out to him." The next year, she attended the same conference. "He gave another keynote and admitted that there were still no women," she recalled, and made his same offer of mentorship. This time, Wijaya contacted van Rossum and he agreed to help. A year later, Wijaya became the first woman with core-developer privileges, which gives her the power to help decide how Python will grow and change.
QuoteI swore to myself when this story broke I wasn't going to get sucked into this subject .. it's become politically charged by outside extremists with an agenda that have nowt to do with Linux, and furthered by some opposing extremists from the Linux fringe .. but every group has fringe nutters right?
QuoteSure there are dumb-asses everywhere, and I doubt Linux conventions are any different .. that crap should be stamped out wherever it occurs but it's a social issue (or just a numpty issue) not a "Linux" one.
QuoteBut it's not the focus (or shouldn't be) of the subject at hand, which was purely about Linus taking a self imposed time out to basically stop publicly flaming people who submitted badly coded or self serving kernel patches .. it has nothing to do with third hand anecdotal stories of a woman being mistreated and where the only link is the word "Linux".
QuoteHow did Linus (or Linux for that matter) become responsible for the odd twit attending a Linux conference ?(which was highly unlikely organised by or only attended by people from the Linux foundation .. remember Linux is developed by thousands of unconnected "contributors" from all walks of life .. and really the reason for Linux "conventions" in the first place)
QuoteIs Linux a toxic environment for women .. personally I've not seen that beyond the fact it's full of blokes (and some women feel intimidated by that alone), it's not by design or by exclusion but just the way it is .. luckily women have ALWAYS been part of software development (including some of the leading lights), just up to this point not in great numbers .. hopefully that was just a leftover remnant of the old gender role bull sh*t that women are quite rightly forcibly shirking now.
QuoteIn truth there is very little "work environment" in Linux at all .. it's mainly done by home developers at the end of a phone line, and people hired by and working at other companies such as IBM, Intel, and even Microsoft .. so is that where this "toxic environment" is ?
QuoteYep, when you get a few thousand of them together in an "away from home" environment with drinks there's gonna be the odd d*ckhead .. d*ckheads are a social problem, Linux is a socially developed OS.... if there's a problem (which I don't believe) it'll be with the fact that there's nobody "in control" of Linux developers (anyone can call themselves one), only what code gets in.Here's the thing - When you ask disparate people/companies from all over the world to submit code freely, and where the only oversight is Linus saying whether it gets in or not, which "environment" is there to blame for the occasional fringe tosser with zero connection to Linus except submitted code ?(in reality there is no "Linux work environment" .. yet SJW's want you to somehow blame "Linux" to further their agenda when "Linux" is just a piece of code)
QuoteDamn I did get sucked in after all.
QuoteYep, SJW's and d*ckheads are everywhere .. they create each other, so deserve each other .. I wish just they'd go find their own space to whinge at each other in private and leave the rest of us alone.
QuoteKinda remind me of leeches the way they're attracted and attach to everything 'normal', then suck the vitality out of it.