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Title: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 03:32:13 pm
Hey Linux folks I am now having some probs with the streaming in VLC. Forgive my lack of knowledge and perhaps using innaccurate computer speak but I'll do my best to explain what's happening. My bro gave me a hardrive with vids on - some are in mp4 format some are mkv. The mkv are especially problematic- the images keep smudging into big pixel squares. The mp4s run ok except for when I want to scroll back or forward then the sound goes off. Do I need to re install VLC? Or can it be the vids themselves- my bro did them on his Mac. Thanks guys!

I am on Mint.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 03:49:34 pm
When you say a hardrive what exactly do you mean is this an external drive you plug into a USB port or do you have it installed inside your PC, if it's an external USB drive it might be worthwhile copying the movie files over to your PC and seeing how they run from a local source, I doubt re-installing VLC will make any difference but it might also be worth trying another media player just to see






Good luck

Graeme
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 03:53:36 pm
When you say a hardrive what exactly do you mean is this an external drive you plug into a USB port or do you have it installed inside your PC, if it's an external USB drive it might be worthwhile copying the movie files over to your PC and seeing how they run from a local source, I doubt re-installing VLC will make any difference but it might also be worth trying another media player just to see
Good luck
Graeme

Yes it's a portable one. I am keeping as little as possible on my netbook as it has very small disk space. I got it second hand and the Linux group guys found that the previous owner had taken out the original disk and replaced it with a very small one! At some point they are gonna put a new one in I got from a pc repair man I know. Maybe it is due to my small disk?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 03:59:14 pm
I don't think it would be due to the small disc as you're running the files from their own disc space but do you have enough space on your HDD to copy over even 1 movie file you know is problematic just to test it ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 04:11:11 pm
I don't think it would be due to the small disc as you're running the files from their own disc space but do you have enough space on your HDD to copy over even 1 movie file you know is problematic just to test it ?

I should imagine I would have enough space to copy one and test it Emegra. I'll try that and see how it runs...
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 04:14:15 pm
Nope- says there is not enough space! I will just have to watch them all funny til I get to my next Linux meeting in September- those guys will know what to do- I think one has to look at the system to know what's exactly up. It was running fine at first! Might just be that I didn't install VLC properly- it had all sorts of files that came with it and I didn't really know which ones to install.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: salparadise on August 13, 2013, 04:44:28 pm
How big are these mp4's?

Try installing kplayer if you're on KDE or mplayer if you're on some Gnome thingy.
I've had occasions when VLC has not performed too well (on a fat box with loads of RAM etc). Kplayer (a front end to mplayer) has been an acceptable replacement.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 04:52:29 pm
How big are these mp4's?

Try installing kplayer if you're on KDE or mplayer if you're on some Gnome thingy.
I've had occasions when VLC has not performed too well (on a fat box with loads of RAM etc). Kplayer (a front end to mplayer) has been an acceptable replacement.

On one folder of the mkv files:

26 items, totalling 44.5 GB

I am not savvy on GBs so don't really know if that is a lot or not! I don't know what Gnome or KDE are either sorry- not up on systems. I will have a look at the package manager. I'm on Mint on a small dell netbook.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 04:57:10 pm
I think salparadise is right it would definitely be worth trying another media player but you may already have one available if you click Menu/Sound & Video you'll see what media players you have installed if there's another one there try that.

I don't know what version of Mint you're running but I used to use Mint/Cinnamon and gave up on it because of glitchy video streaming from a remote location
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 05:15:01 pm
I think salparadise is right it would definitely be worth trying another media player but you may already have one available if you click Menu/Sound & Video you'll see what media players you have installed if there's another one there try that.

I don't know what version of Mint you're running but I used to use Mint/Cinnamon and gave up on it because of glitchy video streaming from a remote location

I didn't have any except ones for music. I have upgraded VLC seems a little better, but I think it is the mkvs ( maybe they are better on Mac) that are at fault.  The mp4s play fine- the main prob there is scrolling- getting the sound to come back on.Anyhow, I  will ask the Linux group guys to look at it all next meeting. I have very little space on my system, so that might be the problem til the new hardrive is put in.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 06:08:01 pm
Before messing with other media players .. what happens if you copy the mp4 and mkv file to the local hard drive and attempt to play them in VLC ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 06:22:56 pm
Before messing with other media players .. what happens if you copy the mp4 and mkv file to the local hard drive and attempt to play them in VLC ?

Can't do that Mark- not got enough disk space free on my netbook.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: SeZo on August 13, 2013, 06:34:11 pm
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Can't do that Mark- not got enough disk space free on my netbook

Try clering up some space as your OS needs to breathe. :)
To see how much space you got:
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df -h
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sudo apt-get autoremove
then
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sudo apt-get clean
then see how much you cleared up:
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df -h
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 06:37:38 pm
Thanks- that's way over my head all that- wouldn't have a clue how or where to do that.  My computer qualifications are ECDL circa 2007 Microsoft system! The last Linux meeting I went to they cleared disk space and said it'll cope until I get the new hard disk installed.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: SeZo on August 13, 2013, 06:44:12 pm
Do you know how to open the Terminal in Mint?
If you do then just copy and paste each of those lines (waiting for the previous to finish first) and hit enter to run.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 06:44:33 pm
After doing what SeZo suggests .. if they still won't play, can you try running an mp4 in VLC, and in VLC hit Ctrl+J
(as SeZo suggests .. you need to have *some* free disk space as it no doubt buffers the file to the local drive to some extent)

then report back what it says the Video and Audio Codecs are .. and I'll try find a small test file for you to download.

[EDIT]

To do as SeZo suggests .. hit Ctrl+Alt+T to open a terminal.

then one at a time enter the commands SeZo gave you, and hit enter to run them

the commands that start with "sudo" will prompt for your password .. just enter it and hit enter.
(be aware, when entering your password nothing will be echoed to screen .. not even *******)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 06:51:17 pm
Do you know how to open the Terminal in Mint?
If you do then just copy and paste each of those lines (waiting for the previous to finish first) and hit enter to run.

I know the terminal is under system...ok will try that thanks.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 06:54:51 pm
Hi SeZo

In case Melissa follows your instructions you may want to correct the typo on the 3rd instruction
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 06:57:13 pm
"29.1 MB disk space will be freed."


I have no idea what all those codes meant! VLC isn't any better though. Thanks for your help guys- next step is to get the new hardrive installed and I bet it will run better.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 06:58:28 pm
Quote
I know the terminal is under system...ok will try that thanks.

You normally find the terminal under "Accessories"
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 06:59:52 pm
After doing what SeZo suggests .. if they still won't play, can you try running an mp4 in VLC, and in VLC hit Ctrl+J
(as SeZo suggests .. you need to have *some* free disk space as it no doubt buffers the file to the local drive to some extent)

then report back what it says the Video and Audio Codecs are .. and I'll try find a small test file for you to download.

[EDIT]

The Mp4s play, it's the mkvs playing with smudgy pixels. And when I scroll back the sound often goes off and I have to re start it. I will  try what you suggest above now...

To do as SeZo suggests .. hit Ctrl+Alt+T to open a terminal.

then one at a time enter the commands SeZo gave you, and hit enter to run them

the commands that start with "sudo" will prompt for your password .. just enter it and hit enter.
(be aware, when entering your password nothing will be echoed to screen .. not even *******)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:03:37 pm
Video codec H264 MPEG -4 AVC ( part 10) ( avcl)

Audio codec- A52 aUDIO (aka AC3) ( a52)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: SeZo on August 13, 2013, 07:08:28 pm
@Emegra
Ooops, corrected

@Mellissa
The first line df -h would have given you staistics about the filesystem usage.
The second line apt-get autoremove would have removed any unused or partially uninstalled packages from your system
The third line apt-get clean would have removed any downloaded packages which have been left after installation

It would be handy if you could post the output from:
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df -h
just to give us some idea how bad the space shortage is
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:16:27 pm
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1       6.5G  4.6G  1.7G  74% /
udev            490M  4.0K  490M   1% /dev
tmpfs           199M  960K  198M   1% /run
none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
none            497M  3.2M  494M   1% /run/shm
/dev/sdb1       299G  215G   84G  73% /media/Spock
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 07:19:14 pm
Here's a 5mb mp4 (H264) for you to download and try:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11876059/bunny.mp4

AAC audio, not AC3 .. but VLC shouldn't have problems with either.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:29:01 pm
Very cute! Runs well thanks Mark. I have two sets of files on the portable hardrive- mp4s and mkvs. It's the mkvs that are not running so well- clear then smudges into pixel squares, clear, pixel squares etc.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: SeZo on August 13, 2013, 07:34:37 pm
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/dev/sda1       6.5G  4.6G  1.7G  74% /

According to the output it seems that you have 1.7G free. Obviously not big enough for those video files.

That 6.5G partition looks odd to me.
Could you please post the output from below(that is lowercase L):
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sudo fdisk -l
This would tell us the size of the hard drive and the partitions.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:37:27 pm
Believe me the local Linux guys found it odd as well- as I said some idiot took out the original hardrive before selling it! But I do have a proper good one for them to install when they have the time. What's a partition?


Disk /dev/sda: 8012 MB, 8012390400 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 974 cylinders, total 15649200 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000251bd

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *        2048    13572095     6785024   83  Linux
/dev/sda2        13574142    15648767     1037313    5  Extended
/dev/sda5        13574144    15648767     1037312   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0944c949
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:38:55 pm
Don't know if this of help but here's a link to mkv files- the problem, not the mp4s.


http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/how_to_play_mkv.cfm (http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/how_to_play_mkv.cfm)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 07:47:48 pm
I found this on a Mint forum- someone else had problems with mkvs on Mint:


http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=202&t=60602 (http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=202&t=60602)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 07:50:26 pm
What are the codecs for the mvk files ?

open one in VLC, and hit Ctrl+J
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 08:04:25 pm
What are the codecs for the mvk files ?

open one in VLC, and hit Ctrl+J

They were the codecs I already gave you Mark.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 08:15:35 pm
Well that was H264 .. so unless the problem lies with AC3 (which I doubt) .. the problem's either -

a) How the files are encoded .. do they play in Windows ?

b) the transfer rate from the external HDD

c) the fact they're being buffered to your local HDD and there's not enough room.

d) you're running low on system resources (RAM/CPU)

Here's a mkv for you to test .. it's 21mb and also H264 with AAC audio .. how does this one play in VLC ?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11876059/test2.mkv

[EDIT]

Have you tried playing your mkv files in gnome-mplayer ?

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 08:20:37 pm
Well that was H264 .. so unless the problem lies with AC3 (which I doubt) .. the problem's either -

a) How the files are encoded .. do they play in Windows ?

b) the transfer rate from the external HDD

c) the fact they're being buffered to your local HDD and there's not enough room.

d) you're running low on system resources (RAM/CPU)

Here's a mkv for you to test .. it's 21mb and also H264 with AAC audio .. how does this one play in VLC ?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11876059/test2.mkv

Your file plays crystal clear Mark! Answers below:



a)My bro made them on his Mac.
b) I am afraid my computer understanding doesn't stretch to that..unless that means my netbook is slow?
c)you mean disk space?
d)most likely!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 08:39:29 pm
My money would be on d, it would be interesting to know the cpu and ram currently on your notebook because unless they are quite high spec Mint may not be a good choice for that machine, so when you do get your hard drive updated perhaps it would be a good idea to install a more lightweight distro


Just my thoughts



Graeme
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 08:41:24 pm
How do I find out the cpu and ram?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 08:43:31 pm
lets start with the ram

Code: [Select]
free -m
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 08:47:50 pm
Open a terminal and run:
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free -m
for the memory

open a terminal and run:
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top
for the CPU usage
to stop top from running hit Ctrl+C .. or just close the terminal

the top output will be similar to:-

Quote
top - 20:42:06 up  1:19,  2 users,  load average: 1.58, 0.68, 0.54
Tasks: 136 total,   3 running, 133 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 17.2 us,  6.0 sy,  0.0 ni, 76.8 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
KiB Mem:   1532340 total,  1146296 used,   386044 free,    91112 buffers
KiB Swap:  1560572 total,        0 used,  1560572 free,   596052 cached

The bit I've jighlighted in red is the bit you're after .. but preferably  you'd run those whilst trying to play an mkv from your external HDD
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 08:52:52 pm
total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:           992        812        180          0         61        332
-/+ buffers/cache:        418        574
Swap:         1012        102        910

top

top - 20:49:54 up  8:43,  1 user,  load average: 1.21, 1.66, 1.97
Tasks: 140 total,   2 running, 137 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
Cpu(s): 17.6%us,  3.5%sy,  0.0%ni, 78.7%id,  0.2%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   1016280k total,   833656k used,   182624k free,    63588k buffers
Swap:  1037308k total,   105216k used,   932092k free,   340552k cached

 
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 08:56:54 pm
Just for my benefit could you post the output of

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cat /proc/cpuinfo

just the top 10 lines similar to this

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[email protected] ~ $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 15
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  E2140  @ 1.60GHz
stepping : 13
microcode : 0xa1
cpu MHz : 1200.000
cache size : 1024 KB
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 09:03:38 pm
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family   : 6
model      : 28
model name   : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
stepping   : 2
microcode   : 0x218
cpu MHz      : 800.000
cache size   : 512 KB
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 09:07:55 pm
can you run all 3 of those commands and post the abridged output WHILST trying o play an mkv from your external HDD

Code: [Select]
free -m
and
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top
and
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cat /proc/cpuinfo

[EDIT]

Can you also post the output from:
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cat /etc/*-release

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 09:32:10 pm
free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:           992        905         86          0        104        375
-/+ buffers/cache:        425        567
Swap:         1012        103        909

top - 21:29:19 up  9:22,  1 user,  load average: 3.90, 2.11, 1.54
Tasks: 141 total,   1 running, 139 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
Cpu(s): 92.6%us,  6.4%sy,  0.0%ni,  1.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   1016280k total,   928020k used,    88260k free,    94712k buffers
Swap:  1037308k total,   106360k used,   930948k free,   396232k cached

 
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 09:34:12 pm
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family   : 6
model      : 28
model name   : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
stepping   : 2
microcode   : 0x218
cpu MHz      : 1600.000
cache size   : 512 KB
physical id   : 0
siblings   : 2
core id      : 0
cpu cores   : 1
apicid      : 0
initial apicid   : 0
fdiv_bug   : no
hlt_bug      : no
f00f_bug   : no
coma_bug   : no
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 10
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dts
bogomips   : 3191.81
clflush size   : 64
cache_alignment   : 64
address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

processor   : 1
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family   : 6
model      : 28
model name   : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
stepping   : 2
microcode   : 0x218
cpu MHz      : 1600.000
cache size   : 512 KB
physical id   : 0
siblings   : 2
core id      : 0
cpu cores   : 1
apicid      : 1
initial apicid   : 1
fdiv_bug   : no
hlt_bug      : no
f00f_bug   : no
coma_bug   : no
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 10
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dts
bogomips   : 3191.94
clflush size   : 64
cache_alignment   : 64
address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 09:44:57 pm
OK, the CPU frequency scaled (800Mhz --> 1600Mhz) when under load .. so whichever version of Mint you're using probably has the Jupiter power manager, or TLP installed.

That's a good thing for a netbook/laptop by the way.

[EDIT]

How about the other 3 things ??
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 09:52:35 pm
OK, the CPU frequency scaled (800Mhz --> 1600Mhz) when under load .. so whichever version of Mint you're using probably has the Jupiter power manager, or TLP installed.

That's a good thing for a netbook/laptop by the way.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't understand most of this....I know what a CPU is, think you mean it goes from 800 to 1600 to save power, but the rest is beyond me LOL. I got this netbook second hand as I said, perhaps it wasn't originally sold as a Linux one as it had had its original hard disk removed, this smaller one in place and the keyboard has the windows logo on it. The latter is what made the Linux guys suspect it might not have been sold as a Linux netbook. I got it with Ubuntu on it. It still was a bargain though and a huge improvement on the dinosaur Windows xp desktop I had before.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 09:59:29 pm
it almost certainly wasn't originally sold as a Linux netbook but it looks like an ideal candidate for Linux however I'm not sure you have the right distribution installed and I'm almost certain it would benefit hugely from running a more lightweight distro from my experience looking at your outputs you're pushing it to the limit so the less system resources the OS uses the better the netbook should run 
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:08:51 pm
it almost certainly wasn't originally sold as a Linux netbook but it looks like an ideal candidate for Linux however I'm not sure you have the right distribution installed and I'm almost certain it would benefit hugely from running a more lightweight distro from my experience looking at your outputs you're pushing it to the limit so the less system resources the OS uses the better the netbook should run

Yes, hope to get its new hard disk installed soon! I will ask the guys to Peppermint it as well. I also have my late brother's oldish HP Microsoft xp laptop to be Linuxed as well. There isn't the right cable in there for it tho so I'll have to see if his partner can find it, if not will pay a visit to the computer repairs shop. I bet this laptop will be another ideal candidate for Linux....and unlike this netbook it has a DVD drawer!

In the meantime is there anything else I can do to help the netbook? I haven't loads of media files on it, just a few text files. I only have one game -Tux and the basic packages.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:12:19 pm
Oh, meant to ask i have got a file  in the file system called evolution.backup. tar.gz which is taking up 21.7 kb and I don't know what it is. I cannot seem to open its contents- just loads of folders and files in it which make little sense to me. Any ideas what it is and what's it for?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 10:16:34 pm
I'm currently running Peppermint 4 on 2 Acer Aspire One zg5 netbooks .. same CPU as yours (Intel Atom N270) .. one has 1GB RAM and a 8GB SSD, the other 1.5GB RAM and 16GB SSD .. both of which have no problem playing H264 mkv's :)



That's a backup for the evolution email client .. but at only 27kb it's tiny, so don't worry about it.



[EDIT]

You're correct .. what I said before means the CPU frequency is being throttled back when the CPU isn't being used much .. to save power, make your battery last longer, and keep the netbook cooler.

I'd just noticed in your first cpuinfo output the CPU clockspeed was 800Mhz .. I just wanted to see if it was stuck that way, or whether it automagically scaled up to 1600Mhz when you put the CPU under load .. it did :)

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 13, 2013, 10:21:16 pm
@ Mark

Have we any way of knowing if Melissas netbook has PAE capability ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 10:26:16 pm
YES it does

From Melissa's cat/proc/cpuinfo

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flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dts

And I'd swear I just said I have the same CPU and am running Peppermint 4 ;)  :P  ;)

[EDIT]

The Atom N270 is 32bit only though .. so it'll need Peppermint 4 32bit .. or she can go for Peppermint 3 if she'd prefer

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:30:00 pm
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I'm currently running Peppermint 4 on 2 Acer Aspire One zg5 netbooks .. same CPU as yours (Intel Atom N270) .. one has 1GB RAM and a 8GB SSD, the other 1.5GB RAM and 16GB SSD .. both of which have no problem playing H264 mkv's :)

I presume that yours have more GBs of SSD than mine then? The Linux group told me that Linux uses less RAM than Microsoft systems, or something like that. Amazing what this little machine can do on Mint compared with that old Microsoft XP desktop I had- it was so slow and froze about 5 times a night!



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That's a backup for the evolution email client .. but at only 27kb it's tiny, so don't worry about it.

Ok thanks- don't know if I am using evolution email client or not!


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You're correct .. what I said before means the CPU frequency is being throttled back when the CPU isn't being used much .. to save power, make your battery last longer, and keep the netbook cooler.


I got it a new battery a few months ago and it sits on a cooler pad I got from a pound shop which works a treat! The netbook stays cool even after hours of use.


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I'd just noticed in your first cpuinfo output the CPU clockspeed was 800Mhz .. I just wanted to see if it was stuck that way, or whether it automagically scaled up to 1600Mhz when you put the CPU under load .. it did :)

Good that it is working ok then! I do like Dell actually.



Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:33:43 pm
YES it does

From Melissa's cat/proc/cpuinfo

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flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dts

And I'd swear I just said I have the same CPU and am running Peppermint 4 ;)  :P  ;)

[EDIT]

The Atom N270 is 32bit only though .. so it'll need Peppermint 4 32bit .. or she can go for Peppermint 3 if she'd prefer

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Tell you what guys, I have certainly having a few computer lessons tonight LOL. I appreciate the help greatly- many thanks. What's PAE capability?
What do you think would be best Peppermint 3 or 4?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 10:34:27 pm
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I presume that yours have more GBs of SSD than mine then?

I seriously doubt it :)

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Amazing what this little machine can do on Mint compared with that old Microsoft XP desktop I had

Mint aint much quicker than XP .. Peppermint IS :)

I *think* Mint uses evolution by default .. but could be wrong.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 10:41:03 pm
32bit OS's can only access up to 4GB RAM .. it's a fixed limitation of 32bit memory address width.

64bit can access more than you'll ever have.

PAE (Physical Address Extension) is an extension to the kernel that allows 32bit OS's to access more than 4GB.

What Emegra is alluding to is .. new versions of Linux (including Peppermint 4, but not Peppermint 3) ONLY have a PAE kernel, so won't install on systems with a non-PAE capable CPU.

It doesn't apply to your netbook, as it DOES support PAE .. so you can install the latest versions :)



Emegra was just checking you could indeed use Peppermint 4 .. you can.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:42:55 pm
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I presume that yours have more GBs of SSD than mine then?

I seriously doubt it :)

I just had to look up SSD on wikipedia LOL. So yours has less???!

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Amazing what this little machine can do on Mint compared with that old Microsoft XP desktop I had

Mint aint much quicker than XP .. Peppermint IS :)

I *think* Mint uses evolution by default .. but could be wrong.

Oh believe me Mark this netbook is fast! For example it takes like a second or two to download an MP3 music file from Amazon whereas it took 20 minutes on that XP thing! I'm not joking! I have also noticed that it is faster than  Microsoft 10 machines as well ( have to use them at work). And 10 is their latest package! I'd be interested to see how much faster this can run on Peppermint!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 10:49:35 pm
32bit OS's can only access up to 4GB RAM .. it's a fixed limitation of 32bit memory address width.

64bit can access more than you'll ever have.

PAE (Physical Address Extension) is an extension to the kernel that allows 32bit OS's to access more than 4GB.

What Emegra is alluding to is .. new versions of Linux (including Peppermint 4, but not Peppermint 3) ONLY have a PAE kernel, so won't install on systems with a non-PAE capable CPU.

It doesn't apply to your netbook, as it DOES support PAE .. so you can install the latest versions :)



Emegra was just checking you could indeed use Peppermint 4 .. you can.

Now you know my little machine's workings what do you think is best for it- Peppermint 3 or 4? I have to say i am very fond of this machine and am very pleased with it. It's the best computer I have ever had- but probably most of it is due to it being Linux! You couldn't pay me to go back to Microsoft! That old XP thing used to annoy not only me but all my friends when they used it when visiting.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 10:56:01 pm
If XP was that slow, there was something wrong with it .. the full Mint isn't much quicker than a properly running XP

As for Peppermint 3 Vs Peppermint 4 .. there are benefits to both

Peppermint 3 will be supported for longer

Peppermint 4 is prettier, and has access to more up-to-date software.

The choice is yours, either one *should* run perfectly on your system.

As you mentioned it's a Dell netbook .. what's the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C display
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:02:10 pm
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If XP was that slow, there was something wrong with it .. the full Mint isn't much quicker than a properly running XP

I spent enough on it at computer shops but it was still s***t! And I used other XPs and many other Microsoft versions and none have been as fast as this Linux netbook. And Microsoft PCs are always crashing!! I try not to laugh when I see people trying to reboot the things all the time....do they properly run for long? No!


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As for Peppermint 3 Vs Peppermint 4 .. there are benefits to both

Peppermint 3 will be supported for longer

Peppermint 4 is prettier, and has access to more up-to-date software.

The choice is yours, either one *should* run perfectly on your system.


What do you mean 3 is supported for longer?



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As you mentioned it's a Dell netbook .. what's the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C display


PCI (sysfs) 

It is a Dell Inspiron Mini.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:04:27 pm
I must add I'm biased towards Peppermint 4 because I contributed to it .. I'm now part of the Peppermint development team.

But Peppermint 3 is a rock solid version too .. and as it's (mainly) an LTS (Long Term Support) release it will be (mainly) supported longer than Peppermint 4

Gimme a sec to type it up and I'll explain LTS, and how it applies to Peppermint 3 .. ie why Peppermint 3 will be (mainly) supported longer than Peppermint 4
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:08:26 pm
I must add I'm biased towards Peppermint 4 because I contributed to it .. I'm now part of the Peppermint development team.

But Peppermint 3 is a rock solid version too .. and as it's (mainly) an LTS (Long Term Support) release it will be (mainly) supported longer than Peppermint 4

Gimme a sec to type it up and I'll explain LTS, and how it applies to Peppermint 3 .. ie why Peppermint 3 will be (mainly) supported longer than Peppermint 4

Must be cool to be that technical that you can create a Linux distribution!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:15:57 pm
OK, Both Mint and Peppermint are based on Ubuntu .. but Peppermint uses the MUCH lighter LXDE desktop environment.

Every 4th release of Ubuntu is an LTS (long term support) release .. 5 years support rather than 9 months (12 months in the case of Peppermint 4)

So, Peppermint 3 was based on the last LTS release of Ubuntu (12.04), meaning it will receive bugfix and security updates for the full 5 years of the Ubuntu LTS life cycle.

Peppermint 4 isn't based on an LTS release (but it's based on the newer 13.04 code base), so only gets 12 months support .. but as I said it has access to more recent software in its repositories.

it's slightly more complex than that, but that's the general gist of it .. in reality, Peppermint 3 also has a small repository that's specific to it, which has already stopped receiving updates (that doesn't mean much as it only contains some settings and stuff) .. so Peppermint 3 isn't technically an LTS, but it can pretty much be considered one as it gets 99% of it's updates directly from the Ubuntu repositories .. so it's kinda 99% an LTS.

As far as updates goes .. nothing in the Peppermint 3 specific repo will receive firther updates, but there's nothing important in there anyway .. the VAST majority or the stuff comes from the Ubuntu repos, and that'll receive updates for another 4(ish) years.

Deos that make sense ?

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:23:53 pm
In short -

99% of Peppermint 3 will receive updates for the full 5 year life cycle of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS .. the other 1% isn't important as it shouldn't require updating, and shouldn't cause any issues.

Peppermint 4 will receive updates for 12 months until Peppermint 5 is released.

Peppermint 5 (next year) will 99% be an LTS as it'll be based on the next Ubuntu LTS release (14.04)

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:25:29 pm
Yes, thanks that all makes sense. I had Ubuntu on this netbook when I got it and had Mint put on it by the Linux guys as they said the Ubuntu I had was from 2008 and it was better to have an updated distro. I did like Ubuntu though, I have to say. I think I'll have 3 put on this netbook and maybe try 4 on the old laptop of my brother's. This netbook will remain my main one. I'll probably use the laptop mostly for playing DVDs/films on you tube- nice  under the duvet in bed on a winter's night! It has a much bigger screen.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:30:40 pm
Either is a good choice .. but if you're not into installing yourself, you're right Peppermint 3 may be the better choice .. at least till you're ready to try an installation yourself (when we'll help).

Can you post the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C display

the reason I ask is I thing the Dell netbooks used the Intel GMA500 grahpics chip .. which may be better supported in Peppermint 4 than 3
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:39:01 pm
Either is a good choice .. but if you're not into installing yourself, you're right Peppermint 3 may be the better choice .. at least till you're ready to try an installation yourself (when we'll help).

Can you post the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C display

the reason I ask is I thing the Dell netbooks used the Intel GMA500 grahpics chip .. which may be better supported in Peppermint 4 than 3


PCI (sysfs)

I am lucky in that the local Linux group guys have installed things and helped me with my netbook and when they get the time will do so again. I have no idea about my late brother's old HP laptop as yet as the cable to switch it on is the wrong one ( wrong fitting).

PS- never saw this terminal thing in Microsoft computers- have they got them?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:44:30 pm
No it will sit at PCI (sysfs) for a while .. then continue .. so give it time to complete.

Also make sure the -C in the command is a capital C .. Linux commands ARE case sensitive :)

[EDIT]

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PS- never saw this terminal thing in Microsoft computers- have they got them?

Microsoft have a command line but it's rubbish, even the newer "windows power shell" .. the Linux command line is UBER powerful, in fact there's nothing you can't do from it :)

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:53:47 pm
Ok, will do it again.

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Microsoft have a command line but it's rubbish, even the newer "windows power shell" .. the Linux command line is UBER powerful, in fact there's nothing you can't do from it :)

Poor Microsoft LOL....

Regarding Dell and the Ubuntu I originally had..the GUI was simply gorgeous- the best I ever had. I do miss that. The icons were arranged in a row in like a box on the screen and when you clicked on them they spun and opened- was so fast and easy to use! It was of course lost when it was changed to Mint. The guys said that GUI was Dell not a Linux GUI...
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 13, 2013, 11:56:57 pm
display:0             
       description: VGA compatible controller
       product: Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 2
       bus info: [email protected]:00:02.0
       version: 03
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
       configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
       resources: irq:16 memory:f0000000-f007ffff ioport:1800(size=8) memory:d0000000-dfffffff memory:f0200000-f023ffff
  *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
       description: Display controller
       product: Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 2.1
       bus info: [email protected]:00:02.1
       version: 03
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
       configuration: latency=0
       resources: memory:f0080000-f00fffff
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 13, 2013, 11:59:15 pm
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The icons were arranged in a row in like a box on the screen and when you clicked on them they spun and opened


A dock bar .. like the one on an Apple Mac ?

similar to this:-

(http://glx-dock.org/images/cairo-dock-2.2.jpg)

??
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:01:18 am
You have the same graphics chip I do .. so you can go with either Peppermint 3 or 4 :)

I was hoping it wasn't the GMA500 Poulsbo .. which can be problematic .. and it isnt :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:02:12 am
It was similar to that yes! The icons sat in 2 rows. In fact Mum and I thought my netbook was a sort of Mac when we first saw it in Cash Converters.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:03:12 am
You have the same graphics chip I do .. so you can go with either Peppermint 3 or 4 :)

I was hoping it wasn't the GMA500 Poulsbo .. which can be problematic .. and it isnt :)

Yay for Dell!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:09:11 am
You can easily add that to Peppermint .. or indeed Mint .. Linux is MASSIVELY configurable
(there are quite a few dock bars for Linux)

There's a topic on the Peppermint forums where we've asked people to show us their desktop:
http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78&start=590 (http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78&start=590)

runs to 61 pages, but you can get an idea just how configurable Linux is
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:09:53 am
 The GUI I had with Ubuntu looked rather like this Mark;

http://notebookitalia.it/linpus-e-moblin-linux-sui-netbook-atom-2491.html (http://notebookitalia.it/linpus-e-moblin-linux-sui-netbook-atom-2491.html)


Would love to have that again! I have to say I always preferred the look of a Mac over Microsoft and was very envious of people I met who owned Mac. I was dying for one,  but too broke to buy one, so imagine my thrill when I found this Linux netbook- finally free of Microsh*t!!!

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:12:21 am
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You can easily add that to Peppermint .. or indeed Mint .. Linux is MASSIVELY configurable
(there are quite a few dock bars for Linux)

There's a topic on the Peppermint forums where we've asked people to show us their desktop:
http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78&start=590 ([url]http://http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78&start=590[/url])
runs to 61 pages, but you can get an idea just how configurable Linux is


Wow can I?! The guys hadn't seen that GUI before..please do tell where it can be got from!! That GUI is awesome!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:14:39 am
The 2 in this posting are mine:
http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?p=36717#p36717 (http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?p=36717#p36717)

the one above that posting shows the cairo dock

or you can see some pics of cairo dock (now called glx dock) in action here:
http://glx-dock.org/ (http://glx-dock.org/)

But there's also docky:
http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php?title=Screenshots (http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php?title=Screenshots)

All of these can be added to Mint or Peppermint .. or pretty much any other distro.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:18:40 am
All very cool! How do I get them and install?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:19:18 am
cairo-dock and docky are both in your default repositories (Software Center, Synaptic, etc) .. but can I warn you, they can take some configuring, and they're VERY liable to stretch your system resources .. particularly if you're running the full Linux Mint.

If I were you I'd wait till you have Peppermint installed .. and we'll go through configuring it then.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:22:21 am
Ok cheers. I do have Awn tho already- we tried that but it didn't seem to look the same as the Ubuntu GUI.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:29:02 am
The new Ubuntu desktop (Unity) has a dock bar by default .. but I (and most others) don't like it:-

(http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/Ubuntu_10.10_Maverick_Meerkat_Netbook_Live_USB.png)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:31:45 am
It's ok. The problem I had with AWN was that it was dancing about all over the place and I wanted a dock instead of regular icons so the desktop was messy. The Ubuntu GUI was instead of static icons if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:34:03 am
Are you sure you're not thinking of the the old Ubuntu netbook remix desktop

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/haytkir/unr-favorites-small.png)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:39:00 am
There's also the KDE4 netbook UI

(http://cdn.techworld.com.au/dimg/445x445/dimg/m_img_24339.png)

As I said .. Linux is IMMENSELY configurable :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:42:33 am
The icons on the cairo-dock can be made to bounce, and/or spin when clicked .. and grow larger when mouse-overed.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:45:24 am
It was similar to the top one but not quite the same. The icons were closer together in two rows like in a box and each icon was a category such as Office, internet, games etc- you could add whatever you wanted to them. When you selected one it'd spin open to reveal the destination! They sat over the desktop background right in the middle of the screen and were large sized.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:46:58 am
The icons on the cairo-dock can be made to bounce, and/or spin when clicked .. and grow larger when mouse-overed.

Now you're talking! Can they be instead of static icons?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:48:41 am
Yes .. you can drag any icon from the desktop to the dock bar and it will attach itself .. then it behaves like other dockbar icons, bounces, spins etc.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 12:55:56 am
Hey you can get them to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkQatqvBDRM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkQatqvBDRM#)

or even dance to music (if you're good enough)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4QpARPZFYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4QpARPZFYE#ws)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:58:05 am
Sounds great. I wish I had taken a screen shot of my old GUI for posperity now! I remember when i first got this netbook and was so thrilled with it and my then housemate ( since got my own gaff) in the shared house I was in who had a Macbook tried to talk me out of keeping it and told me Linux had loads of problems! I didn't know what to think and went and showed it to a PC guy mate in his shop. He never used Linux but was objective and said it was another OS and that some Microsoft things might not work on it. But then I went on Linux websites and  by some stroke of luck took it to a social centre/cafe that Saturday I hang out and found they had Linux on their PCs ( which I had never used) and a Linux group. One guy at the cafe  told me not to listen to my Mac housemate and explained the Linux system to me, told me I had  a bargain, and I rang my Mum who had bought the netbook for me and she was very pleased I had such an awesome system.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 01:01:37 am
Those icons are cool LOL. Really Linux is the top OS!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 01:07:27 am
Don't ever listen to a Mac fan --

Mac fans spend a whole ton of money on their systems, so kinda HAVE to love it, or feel like a fool .. so they don't like the fact that everything they like about OS X Linux does too, and then some .. it ruins their elitism fantasy.

Linux and OS X are both related .. they're both children of Unix (so both known as *nix OS's)

OS X is IMHO just a rubbish (and tweaked to lock you in) proprietary "Linux-ish" OS.

I'd never buy a Mac .. unlike most Mac fans, I've more sense than money ;)

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 01:22:18 am
Don't ever listen to a Mac fan --

Mac fans spend a whole ton of money on their systems, so kinda HAVE to love it, or feel like a fool .. so they don't like the fact that everything they like about OS X Linux does too, and then some .. it ruins their elitism fantasy.

Linux and OS X are both related .. they're both children of Unix (so both known as *nix OS's)

OS X is IMHO just a rubbish (and tweaked to lock you in) proprietary "Linux-ish" OS.

I'd never buy a Mac .. unlike most Mac fans, I've more sense than money ;)


They can be like that yes because they have spent like a grand on a netbook/laptop that isn't any better than Linux OS which all comes free, or mostly free. Ok Mac is way better than Microsh*t, but why pay a grand when you can have Linux and pay just under a hundred quid for a netbook ( what mine cost) second hand and Linux it!!
My bro luckily isn't like that- yes he loves his Macbook, but knows Linux is great. He hadn't seen it before til I showed him mine.He is a bit of a computer geek so at least he had heard of Linux. I had vaguely heard of it when I saw this netbook in the shop and connected it to Unix, but thought it was some form of Mac til the man in the shop told me it was a different OS. I was impressed how user friendly it was to use and found it easy to navigate around right away. I don't know if it was cos it resembled Mac in some ways, and I had had a go on the housemate's Mac and used a Mac when I worked on a student newspaper years ago. I did find Mac more logical than Microsh*t. Oh and my first introduction to computers was Mac back in the early 1990s when a student nurse in Wales. They had  got some Macs for us to type up assignments on but I never used them.
It was a good thing my desktop XP thing died that week as my Mum had been planning to get me a laptop ( I was unemployed and broke) and we just happened to be in the right place at the right time!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 01:42:17 am
I'll never understand Mac fans  ::)

Take the " no right-click cut and paste issue, and how the Mac fans defended it not being there:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-183472.html (http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-183472.html)

That made me laugh :)

OK they've FINALLY added it to the latest version of OS X .. but c'mon, "cut" is a basic function, it should have been there from the beginning .. specially because of the way "finder" fights you having two windows open to drag and drop.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 01:56:51 am
LOL! I'm so glad I have Linux! Well that's me done for the night, gonna go old fashioned with a book and the duvet. Cheers for all the help and info Mark. Night Night!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 01:57:37 am
No problem .. goodnight :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 07:41:48 am
Maybe you shouldn't give up on that XP desktop you have yet, you could Linux that as well or if you have no use for desktop a PC you could Freenas it and use it as a NAS to store all those Movies you have
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 12:43:06 pm
Maybe you shouldn't give up on that XP desktop you have yet, you could Linux that as well or if you have no use for desktop a PC you could Freenas it and use it as a NAS to store all those Movies you have

Oh that is well gone Emegra! I gave it to the PC repair man for parts in return for him retrieving the files and putting them on a portable HD when it died. Though some idiot I knew deleted all the files afterwards and I lost  6 years' worth of files.  Even the Linux guys and the PC man couldn't get them back ( Long story, sore point).My bro retrieved some on his Mac but they are all fragmented in parts or won't open.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 01:42:27 pm
If it was a windows formatted drive (NTFS/FAT) you shoulda used Stellar Phoenix .. the only recovery software that actually works.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 02:42:49 pm
If it was a windows formatted drive (NTFS/FAT) you shoulda used Stellar Phoenix .. the only recovery software that actually works.



Well I was about to take it to the Linux guys as the HD wouldn't open in Linux- it was Microsoft configured ( but not a prob as I could have saved the docs to my data stick and emailed them to myself bit by bit...) when the idiot took the HD out of my hands said he knew Linux and then LOST the files!!!!

I have since given the HD to a Microsoft user who can re format it and use it to store his own files- my files were beyond help all down to that idiot.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 04:25:06 pm
It's for these type of eventualities that I mentioned Freenas, You should always have a backup of any important data stored off your PC/laptop and a NAS is a perfect way to do it because it not only stores it but it makes accessing it simple and it saves space on your PC/laptop after all a computer is really designed to run programs not store data, all my data is stored on a NAS which is in turn backed up to an external drive connected to it and a simple rsync routine keeps them both in sync without lifting a finger, I've lost important data before because like many people I put off backing up stuff and paid the price this way if my PC burst into flames tomorrow I would lose nothing but a PC
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 07:01:41 pm
All my important stuff is on a portable Hard drive Emegra. :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 07:38:12 pm
Emegra's point is you should use the old PC as a NAS (Network Attached Storage) .. where you can read/write to it across the network.

That allows ALL PC's on the network access to anything that's on it

It's also an ideal place for backing up other PC's to .. particularly if you can put 2 drives in it in RAID1 configuration (or as Emegra does rsync the main NAS HDD to another)

The point of RAID1 or rsyncing to another drive is in case the NAS HDD fails .. BOTH drives are unlikely to fail at the same time, so you always have a working copy even in the event of a drive failure.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 09:27:55 pm
Sounds a bit beyond me all that Mark! Anyway got rid of that desktop a year ago and was glad to be rid of it- big bulky thing it was. I am not a fan of desktops. I have limited space where I live, so prefer netbooks. I am happy with portable hard drives and data sticks for storage. I actually don't have  a lot of files since the idiot got rid of most of what i did have. I also like to store files virtually.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 09:58:50 pm
Point of a NAS is it can go anywhere .. up the loft for example .. then you can access it form other PC's

Not that any of this matters if you no longer have the PC  :o
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 10:05:29 pm
I have mine in the loft and in the last 8 months I've only had to reboot it once and that was through no fault of the server, I know Freenas is not Linux but I have to say it's a great system
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 10:11:51 pm
FreeNAS is FreeBSD isn't it ?

[EDIT]

Answering my own question here .. YES it is.

FreeBSD = Close enough ;)

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 10:19:23 pm
Quote
FreeNAS is FreeBSD isn't it ?

Yes the original author stopped development after Freenas 7 and it was taken over by IXSystems and rebuilt from scratch into Freenas 8 but personally i preferred the old  Freenas 7, but i've recently discovered a clone of that has been taken over which is now called NAS4FREE or something like that  and also one of the developers with IXSystems branched out and created a Linux version very similar to Freenas 8 called Openmediavault


The wonders of open source :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 10:24:30 pm
You could easily turn any Linux server edition, or light distro into a NAS I suppose .. effectively it's just a file server.

I'm also guessing the Linux kernel would probably have better hardware support than FreeBSD

[EDIT]

Well when I say "easily" .. I suppose "easily" is a relative term.

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Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 10:38:50 pm
Quote
You could easily turn any Linux server edition, or light distro into a NAS I suppose .. effectively it's just a file server.

This was suggested to me before by SeZo but I couldn't find a way to run a linux server with a web gui and because I keep the NAS in my loft it has to be headless also I just can't get my head around webmin, the web gui in Freenas very graphical and easy for a dimwit like me to understand, what I can't get my head around is the plugin/jail system but for the most part I can make it do everything I want it to do

Quote
I'm also guessing the Linux kernel would probably have better hardware support than FreeBSD

it probably does but a NAS doesn't need much hardware support there's no printers or scanners attached to it, I don't plug in any cameras, it doesn't require sound and so far I've had no problems with network or graphic cards



Graeme
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 10:44:26 pm
Well there's always webmin (as you say) and/or ssh (also part of webmin) or VNC, RDP, or even NX, etc.

There a LOT of ways to remotely control another Linux PC .. but if FreeNAS does the job.....

Hardware .. I was thinking of things like wireless drivers .. but yeh, a Linux server could do more, like be a print server, etc.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 10:55:45 pm
I suppose someone with the savvy could make a better system out a Linux distro but I think it would be beyond the average Joe.

Your right about the print server I don't think Freenas can do that but I'm sure I read somewhere it's something they're working on and will be added through the plugin system.

I tried Openmediavault which is based on Linux and although it's good it's not quite there yet at least not when I tried it, another good thing about Freenas is that you can run the OS from a USB drive leaving all the IDE/SATA channels free for storage which I'm not sure a Linux server can do because if my memory serves me right Openmediavault couldn't but I may be wrong
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:02:28 pm
Ever heard of a little thing called a LiveCD/LiveUSB ? .. plus there's nothing stopping you doing a "Proper" installation to a USB stick ;)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:06:27 pm
Theoretically the Linux box could also be a NAS fileserver, media streamer, print server, web server, FTP server, firewall, etc. etc. .. oh, and also double as a remote (or local) desktop if you wanted ;)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 11:11:58 pm
Quote
Ever heard of a little thing called a LiveCD/LiveUSB ? .. plus there's nothing stopping you doing a "Proper" installation to a USB stick[/quote

Yes I've heard of a liveCD/LiveUSB I've used them both many times but I didn't think they were the same a "Proper" installations and  I'm gonna show my ignorance here but I didn't know you could do a "Proper" installation to a usb stick unless you mean a LiveUSB with persistance?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:25:25 pm
Nope, not a LiveUSBS with persistence .. as long as your BIOS can treat a USB stick as a HDD you can do a normal "proper" intallation .. and if it can't it wouldn't work for FreeBSD or FreeNAS either.

Hell you can install to an SSD card if your BIOS will treat it as an HDD

Even if your BIOS won't treat it as an HDD, there are ways around it .. such as a boot floppt or CD that then chainloads the OS from the USB stick
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 11:26:09 pm
Ok lets say I installed some Linux distro on to a usb and connected it a PC with a bunch of hard drives and I want this to be headless how would i communicate with it , I could try to understand webmin which I find confusing or i could ssh/telnet but that would mean I'd need your understanding of the command line, can you honestly ever see me achieving that ?

For me that's the beauty of Freenas or OMV these operating systems were written to make it possible for someone like me with limited computer knowledge to run a NAS and all it's services in an easy to understand and graphical way

 
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:29:55 pm
You could have a light desktop if you wish .. openbox/LXDE, etc. then serve it's GUI desktop across the network in a multitude of ways.

You can serve graphical stuff with SSH, VNC, RDP, NX, etc.

[EDIT]

I'm sure I read somewhere that you can log onto remote machines directly from the Ubuntu login screen now.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 11:31:23 pm
Point of a NAS is it can go anywhere .. up the loft for example .. then you can access it form other PC's

Not that any of this matters if you no longer have the PC  :o

I have visions of that thing falling out of the loft on top of my wardrobe Mark! :o I was glad to be rid of it to be honest- it was a very poorly machine. It had gone to the blue screen of death about 4 times!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 11:33:58 pm
Never heard of Freenas before.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:35:23 pm
@ Melissa

Quote
t had gone to the blue screen of death about 4 times!

Not with Linux it didn't ;) .. that was more than likely just a Windows problem.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:38:10 pm
@ Emegra

I'm not trying to talk you into ditching FreeNAS .. if it does what you want, great .. I'm just sayin ;)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 11:38:26 pm
Quote
You could have a light desktop if you wish .. openbox/LXDE, etc. then serve it's GUI desktop across the network in a multitude of ways.

You can server graphical stuff with SSH, VNC, RDP, NX, etc

Well I'm currently building a new stock of bigger drives to build a new server because my current one is filling up fast so when the time comes I may take the Linux server route so be prepared for questions I guarantee there'll be plenty of them :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 11:38:43 pm
@ Melissa

Quote
t had gone to the blue screen of death about 4 times!

Not with Linux it didn't ;) .. that was more than likely just a Windows problem.

You're right there Mark- it was Windows XP!!! I only have had Linux since last year and won't be Microsh"'ing again at home!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 14, 2013, 11:40:16 pm
Quote
Not with Linux it didn't ;) .. that was more than likely just a Windows problem.

That's what I've been thinking, possibly nothing wrong with the PC which is why I suggested it could be used as a NAS
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 14, 2013, 11:41:51 pm
Quote
Not with Linux it didn't ;) .. that was more than likely just a Windows problem.

That's what I've been thinking, possibly nothing wrong with the PC which is why I suggested it could be used as a NAS

It also had very little disk space and memory- cannot remember what it was now but it was low.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:55:19 pm
Mad Penguin set up an Ubuntu VM running NX server, serving it's desktop remotely as a test a while back .. now he's in Wales, but when I fired up the NX client and connected it was (for all intents and purposes) as fast as my local desktop .. and that was across the internet.

See NoMachines NX server (free edition)
http://www.nomachine.com/ (http://www.nomachine.com/)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_Server (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_Server)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 14, 2013, 11:57:26 pm
Quote
It also had very little disk space and memory- cannot remember what it was now but it was low.

Disks can be added later, and a simple NAS doesn't require much RAM

Old PC's can always be re-purposed .. if you can be bothered :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:59:05 am
Quote
It also had very little disk space and memory- cannot remember what it was now but it was low.

Disks can be added later, and a simple NAS doesn't require much RAM

Old PC's can always be re-purposed .. if you can be bothered :)

Well most PC people don't tell you that or they don't know that being Microsoft "experts." But I didn't want it anyway- I have no need of networks/ huge file storing etc as don't have many files ( the idiot got rid of them!!!) and what i do have fits mostly on a data stick with a few on a portable harddrive.  Anyway the PC man took it for parts so it had some sort of use after.
What about super old PCs like Amstrads? Now they are obselete!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 15, 2013, 11:40:56 am
Melissa what you're doing is fine at least your securing what data you have at that's what's important and the unfortunate way you lost all you're files previously only highlights that, I only put the Freenas thing in there as a suggestion I'm not trying to talk you into it, it sounds to me you're very happy with your netbook and the way your store your files and that's the most important thing


Happy Linuxing  :)




Graeme
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 12:47:02 pm
Quote
Melissa what you're doing is fine at least your securing what data you have at that's what's important and the unfortunate way you lost all you're files previously only highlights that, I only put the Freenas thing in there as a suggestion I'm not trying to talk you into it, it sounds to me you're very happy with your netbook and the way your store your files and that's the most important thing
Happy Linuxing  :)


Emegra- there are two reasons I lost the files on the Micros**t XP desktop- firstly it went to the blue screen of death, secondly the PC man retrieved them ( by which time I'd got this Linux netbook) and put them onto a portable HD. Although it was Microsoft formatted that was not a problem, as I'm sure the Linux guys could have sorted that out, and I could have emailed the small text files to myself and put them on a data stick.

All would have been fine there except some idiot I know took the HDD out of my hands, stuck it into his Micros**t laptop and lost the files! It's a long long story, but that's the short of it.

Your Freenas idea is a good one- but too technical for me- wouldn't have a clue how to do that. My computing knowledge only stretches to using packages, not programming and setting up systems. I've only got ECDL! If there was a Linux course though I'd want to do it. I wouldn't mind being a computer geek. ;D

And since Linux, have I lost any files? No. ;)

PS- do you know how to format a data stick? I tried to copy some files onto it from my netbook and it won't let me. Looked in properties and it seems there are some hidden files on it- probably Micros**t formatted.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 12:52:44 pm
Quote
What about super old PCs like Amstrads? Now they are obselete!

It can be re-purposed as a paper weight ;)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 15, 2013, 01:14:00 pm
Quote
I wouldn't mind being a computer geek.

Oh no you don't want that Melissa you could end being like Mark :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 01:20:25 pm
Hahaha :)

Formatting the USB stick - First we need to know which version of Mint you're using (as they've recently changed the name of the disk utility) .. can you post the output from:
Code: [Select]
cat /etc/*-release
and with the USB stick plugged in and mounted (so you can view the files), also send the output from:
Code: [Select]
mount
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 01:26:49 pm
Quote
I wouldn't mind being a computer geek.

Oh no you don't want that Melissa you could end being like Mark :)

Cheeky!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 01:29:31 pm
 $ cat /etc/*-release
DISTRIB_ID=LinuxMint
DISTRIB_RELEASE=13
DISTRIB_CODENAME=maya
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Linux Mint 13 Maya"


and

/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/karij/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=karij)
/dev/sdb on /media/E055-E9C1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks)


Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 01:48:04 pm
OK, the problem is probably that the USB stick doesn't really contain a valid partition.

Probably the easiest way to format it would be run "Disk Utility" (it'll be in the menus somewhere).. select the USB stick in the left column (be careful to select the right one) .. then on the right select make sure it says "Device: /dev/sdb" .. then click  "Unmount Volume", then "Format Drive"

Scheme: Master Boot Record

then click the "Format" button

when asked if you're sure, click the "Format" button

Now click "Create Partition"

Size: it will probably already have all of it selected
Type: FAT
Name: MyStick
Encrypt underlying device = UNTICKED

Now click the "Create" button.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 02:15:08 pm
Thanks Mark- will do that later and let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 05:27:38 pm
Not got anything called disk utility.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 15, 2013, 05:30:51 pm
I think it's just called disks Melissa under system tools
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 05:37:27 pm
AFAIK it wasn't called "Disks" until 12.10 or 13.04 .. Mint 13 is based on 12.04
(unless of course Mint did a custom version)

Open a terminal and post the output from:
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep palimp
and
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep gnome-disk

[EDIT]

If it's the new version, those instructions may not apply
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 05:46:03 pm
AFAIK it wasn't called "Disks" until 12.10 or 13.04 .. Mint 13 is based on 12.04
(unless of course Mint did a custom version)

Open a terminal and post the output from:
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep palimp
and
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep gnome-disk


dpkg -l | grep palimp
[email protected] ~ $ dpkg -l | grep gnome-disk
[email protected] ~ $


Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 05:46:49 pm
I think it's just called disks Melissa under system tools

I have only got Disk Usage Analyser.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 05:48:31 pm
run:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install palimpsest
if there were no errors .. is "Disk Utility" in the menus now ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 07:19:12 pm
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package palimpsest
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 07:37:45 pm
Try:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility

I do wish they'd stop changing the names of things  ::)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:08:06 pm
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
gnome-disk-utility is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 221 not upgraded.


Well at least you know what all this means Mark!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:11:27 pm
Just remembered....don't know if this is relevant or not- but this data stick I was using on  the Microcrap XP an d not long after using it on Linux the files went AWOL ( not a prob as had them stored on the portable  HD) and then it was blank on both systems. Tried it in a printing shop and on this netbook. Might there have been a virus on it? I don't mind putting it in the recycling bin, after all i have the HD.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 08:26:21 pm
"Disks" or "Disk Utility" must be in your menu's somewhere ???
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:34:11 pm
It has just appeared!!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:40:59 pm
I need to take a screen shot as not sure what device this usb stick is- forgotten how to take screen shots- still stuck on the Microsoft method...
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 08:42:19 pm
Is it here:

Menu > Administration > Disk Utility

or

Menu > Preferences > Disk Utility
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:46:05 pm
Here it is
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Emegra on August 15, 2013, 08:46:42 pm
Quote
I need to take a screen shot as not sure what device this usb stick is- forgotten how to take screen shots- still stuck on the Microsoft method...

if you have a prt scr key on your keyboard try pressing that and it should place the screenshot in your home folder
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:47:21 pm
Is it here:

Menu > Administration > Disk Utility

or

Menu > Preferences > Disk Utility

In preferences. Weird cos it wasn't there before! Above in previous message is a screen shot- went online to find out how to do one.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 08:49:03 pm
Quote
I need to take a screen shot as not sure what device this usb stick is- forgotten how to take screen shots- still stuck on the Microsoft method...

if you have a prt scr key on your keyboard try pressing that and it should place the screenshot in your home folder

Yeah one does it with Alt. Thanks- checked up online- same procedure as Microsoft. But there are others also.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 09:03:34 pm
OK, I take it the Freecom Databar is your USB stick ?

click it and take another screenshot
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 09:17:21 pm
Just checked on "computer" and yes it is.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 09:21:45 pm
When trying to follow your instructions this came up

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 09:23:29 pm
In the right hand panel click  "Unmount Volume", then "Format Drive"

Scheme: Master Boot Record

then click the "Format" button

when asked if you're sure, click the "Format" button

Now click "Create Partition"

Size: it will probably already have all of it selected
Type: FAT
Name: MyStick
Encrypt underlying device = UNTICKED

Now click the "Create" button.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 09:54:01 pm
I got this- clicked format but doesn't go any further.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 09:58:44 pm
It's not going for it.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:00:53 pm
Yeh, click the little down arrow xet to Ext4 and change it to -

Type: FAT
Name: Freecom
Encrypt underlying device = UNTICKED

Now click the "Create" button.

Give it a minute to finish .. then take another screenshot
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:02:55 pm
The reason it's giving you that warning is you didn't click "Unmount Volume"

[EDIT]

You'll have to scroll down to see "Unmount Volume"
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:06:59 pm
Here is the next bit.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:08:47 pm
The reason it's giving you that warning is you didn't click "Unmount Volume"

[EDIT]

You'll have to scroll down to see "Unmount Volume"

I did but it didn't do it...
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:12:06 pm
OK, let's start again ..

Close the Disk Utility

Close Any window that's showing the USB sticks contents

Reopen the Disk Utility

Select the USB stick (freecom) in the left column

Inn the right hand (main) panel SCROLL down and click  "Unmount Volume" (you'll know if that worked if "Unmount Volume" changes to "Mount volume")

Now Scroll back up and select "Format Drive"

In the dialog box that appears, set -

Scheme: Master Boot Record

then click the "Format" button

when asked if you're sure, click the "Format" button

Now scroll down and click "Create Partition"

In the dailog that appers, set -

Size: it will probably already have all of it selected
Type: FAT
Name: Freecom
Encrypt underlying device = leave UNTICKED


Now click the "Create" button.

And give it a minute to complete.

--
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:15:54 pm
Yeah, tried all that repeatedly Mark and this error box comes up. It is close to getting acquainted with the recycling bin.

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:18:00 pm
Have you got a file manager window open that's displaying the USB sticks contents ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:20:36 pm
OK, Close EVERYTHING except your web browser .. tell me when you've done that.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:23:04 pm
I only have my internet on- no other files open Mark. I have removed it safely and put it in and tried it all again- the thing is broken. Put it in the bin!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:24:15 pm
Close EVERYTHING except your web browser .. tell me when you've done that.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:31:08 pm
It's in the recycling bin now LOL. I did all you said and error kept coming up- I think it had  a virus on it because it went funny when using it on Micros**t and hasn't worked since- the Linux guys looked at it one meeting and they found it didn't work as well. Thanks for all your help though- now I know how to format any other data sticks I might get in the future. But really as I have the large portable HD off my bro probably don't need a data stick. If I need to transfer files to Micros**t I usually store them in Box or email them to myself. and the transfer is only for printing as I haven't a printer- my friend does my priting for me mostly ( not that I do much). I have noticed once a device is formatted to one OS it won't work in the other anyway.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:32:01 pm
Have you got a file manager window open that's displaying the USB sticks contents ?

No, I hadn't at all.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:33:55 pm
Look this may be fixable .. but not if you don't follow my instructions .. do you want to try or not ?

it's NOT a virus
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:39:28 pm
Look this may be fixable .. but not if you don't follow my instructions .. do you want to try or not ?

it's NOT a virus

It's in the blue reycling wheelie bin now sorry.I did all you said but it kept coming up with error. I hadn't anything open except a web page- this one, no other files, did all the procedures many many times and it says error- the thing is broken. Many thanks for trying though. 
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:41:08 pm
Melissa .. you're not listening to me .. ignore the instructions before for now, do you want to attempt to fix this or not ?



Quote
I have noticed once a device is formatted to one OS it won't work in the other anyway.

That is wrong .. a "properly" formatted (FAT)  USB stick will work in pretty much ANY OS, certainly in Windows, Linux, and OS X

The problem is your stick isn't properly formatted .. it doesn't contain a partition .. now Windows can work with them like that, but Linux will mark it as read only.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:50:56 pm
Melissa .. you're not listening to me .. ignore the instructions before for now, do you want to attempt to fix this or not ?



Quote
I have noticed once a device is formatted to one OS it won't work in the other anyway.

That is wrong .. a "properly" formatted (FAT)  USB stick will work in pretty much ANY OS, certainly in Windows, Linux, and OS X

The problem is your stick isn't properly formatted .. it doesn't contain a partition .. now Windows can work with them like that, but Linux will mark it as read only.


I've just gone out in the rain with a torch and retreived it from the wheelie bin. Ok let's see if the thing will work..
Can the same be done for my portable HD? At the moment if I plug it into Micros**t it won't work. Not that I really need to at the moment, but thinking ahead if I needed to print something at work from it in the future.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 10:54:22 pm
Yes the HDD can be formatted correctly too .. but one thing at a time eh :)

Plug the USB stick in, and make sure EVERYTHING is closed except your web browser .. tell me when you've done that.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 10:59:37 pm
Yes the HDD can be formatted correctly too .. but one thing at a time eh :)

Plug the USB stick in, and make sure EVERYTHING is closed except your web browser .. tell me when you've done that.

I've plugged it in and only got my web pages open- no other files on the system.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:00:59 pm
OK, do nothing other than what I tell you.

Open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
mount
and post the output
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:04:21 pm
OK- this is the result:

mount
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/karij/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=karij)
/dev/sdb on /media/New Volume type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:05:44 pm
OK, run:
Code: [Select]
sudo umount /dev/sdb
now post the output from:
Code: [Select]
mount
again
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
[email protected] ~ $ sudo umount /dev/sdb
[sudo] password for karij:
umount: /dev/sdb: not mounted
[email protected] ~ $ mount
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/karij/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=karij)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:14:09 pm
OK it's now unmounted, so there'll be no need to unmount it in disk utility ..

Open the Disk Utility

Select the USB stick (freecom) in the left column

In the right hand (main) panel select "Format Drive"

In the dialog box that appears, set -

Scheme: Master Boot Record

then click the "Format" button

when asked if you're sure, click the "Format" button

Now scroll down and click "Create Partition"

In the dailog that appers, set -

Size: it will probably already have all of it selected
Type: FAT
Name: Freecom
Encrypt underlying device = leave UNTICKED


Now click the "Create" button.

And give it a minute to complete.

--
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:18:41 pm
I think it has done it!

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:23:08 pm
Well it DID format it .. but you didn't follow my instructions properly .. you didn't change Ext4 to FAT

Do the above again
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:24:50 pm
Well it DID format it .. but you didn't follow my instructions properly .. you didn't change Ext4 to FAT

Do the above again

Will do!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:28:56 pm
ok!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:33:41 pm
Click "Mount Volume"

then go to the terminal and post the output from:
Code: [Select]
mount
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:40:27 pm
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/karij/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=karij)
/dev/sdb1 on /media/New Volume type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,uhelper=udisks)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:43:31 pm
Spot on .. that should now be writeable in both Windows AND Linux.

On last thing .. do you know how to safely unmount a USB stick before unplugging it (same as "safely remove device" in windows) ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:48:31 pm

Quote
Spot on .. that should now be writeable in both Windows AND Linux.

Thanks for that!


Quote
On last thing .. do you know how to safely unmount a USB stick before unplugging it (same as "safely remove device" in windows) ?


Yes, always do that. R click on icon on desktop and choose safely remove drive.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 15, 2013, 11:50:37 pm
Has it got hidden files?

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 15, 2013, 11:57:41 pm
Quote
Has it got hidden files?

No, a small part of the file system is always used .. nothing to worry about.

If there are hidden files, just select "Show hidden files" (Ctrl+H) in your file manager, and they'll be displayed.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:03:29 am
Quote
Has it got hidden files?

No, a small part of the file system is always used .. nothing to worry about.

If there are hidden files, just select "Show hidden files" (Ctrl+H) in your file manager, and they'll be displayed.

Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 12:04:32 am
Ja wanna tek a looksee at the external HDD now .. or some other time ?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:11:38 am
Ja wanna tek a looksee at the external HDD now .. or some other time ?

Yeah could do..it is a Maktor HDD ( not the ones with the Star Trek programmes on)- but has files on it - most of my files- can it still be formatted without losing them?
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 12:23:01 am
Probably not.

Plug it in, and send the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo fdisk -l
and
Code: [Select]
sudo blkid
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:34:10 am
If it means losing the files I am happy to keep it formatted to Linux thanks.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 12:40:06 am
We don't know that it IS formatted "for Linux" yet .. and we won't unless you post that output.

it could just be a file system error.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:42:41 am
We don't know that it IS formatted "for Linux" yet .. and we won't unless you post that output.

it could just be a file system error.

Ok will do that....
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 12:48:03 am
When you type yoour password in the terminal, nothing will be echoed to screen, not even ******

But it IS going in, so just type it and hit enter.

if it says it's wrong .. make sure caps lock isn't on.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:48:31 am
sudo fdisk -l
 comes up but won't let me enter password- just flashes and keyboard won't work when i try to type it. Not got  the HD open
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 12:50:45 am
Ah I see ok!

sudo fdisk -l


Disk /dev/sda: 8012 MB, 8012390400 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 974 cylinders, total 15649200 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000251bd

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *        2048    13572095     6785024   83  Linux
/dev/sda2        13574142    15648767     1037313    5  Extended
/dev/sda5        13574144    15648767     1037312   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2f3dcc1b

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               2   312581807   156290903    b  W95 FAT32
[email protected] ~ $ sudo blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="90b0568d-1619-4aa3-87ad-c70b98228bdb" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda5: UUID="afd20587-0b09-484e-b00e-73f33611edf3" TYPE="swap"
/dev/sdb1: LABEL="MAXTOR" UUID="8826-13E8" TYPE="vfat"

Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 12:58:52 am
OK, the external HDD is already formatted as FAT32, so SHOULD be read and writeable by both Windows and Linux.

If Windows can't read it .. next time it's plugged into a Windows machine, run chkdsk on it to check/fix the file system.

Running a file system check from windows "shouldn't" delete any files .. but just in case it's always a good idea to bacjup what you can't afford to loose anyway.

So far Windows has been reading a USB stick it really shouldn't .. and not reading a HDD it really should, considering it's using a Windows file system.

In reality .. the best thing you could do is copy everything off that drive .. then format it as NTFS rather than FAT32 .. then copy everything back
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 01:08:18 am
Quote
OK, the external HDD is already formatted as FAT32, so SHOULD be read and writeable by both Windows and Linux.

oK....

Quote
If Windows can't read it .. next time it's plugged into a Windows machine, run chkdsk on it to check/fix the file system.

Will do if I ever need to, thanks.


Quote
Running a file system check from windows "shouldn't" delete any files .. but just in case it's always a good idea to bacjup what you can't afford to loose anyway.

Ok...

Quote
So far Windows has been reading a USB stick it really shouldn't .. and not reading a HDD it really should, considering it's using a Windows file system.


What do you expect with an inferior OS? :P Actually it never read either and I suspect it wiped off the files on the stick as they read fine on my Linux netbook. I then went to a printing shop stuck it into his Micros**t and they were all GONE!


Quote
In reality .. the best thing you could do is copy everything off that drive .. then format it as NTFS rather than FAT32 .. then copy everything back

I will do when I get the new HD in this netbook- it hasn't the disk space for all this right now, poor thing!

Thanks for all that Mark. You have been a great help once again.
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 01:18:07 am
No problem .. gimme a shout when you have the new HDD, and we'll fix the old one :)
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 01:21:47 am
I have it, just waiting for the Linux guys to get the time to put it in. It's a big job been told- my system has to be cloned on it, files saved etc.
Goodnight..time for bed!
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on August 16, 2013, 01:33:16 am
Ahh I see .. I forgot it was going to be an internal drive.

Expect it to be a bit slower than the current drive .. the current drive is an SSD which are generally quicker.

G'night
Title: Re: VLC probs
Post by: Melissa on August 16, 2013, 01:40:21 am
Ahh I see .. I forgot it was going to be an internal drive.

Expect it to be a bit slower than the current drive .. the current drive is an SSD which are generally quicker.

G'night

No it is an internal one- my mistake with computer terminology!
Night!
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