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Title: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 20, 2014, 06:53:15 am
Been useing Ubuntu lite on my laptop for some time looking at a change and bringing some life back to the old beast, was looking at Peppermint 4.

Does peppermint run well with older pc/laptops, is there much of a shock change, or is there better distro suited for the old beast of a laptop and pc
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: chemicalfan on March 20, 2014, 08:56:26 am
Yep, Peppermint will do you perfectly :)
The base install is a bit sparse, but your experience with Ubuntu should make adding the required software dead simple. Post back if you get any queries or issues  :)
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on March 20, 2014, 12:08:49 pm
Peppermint is GREAT on older hardware, and ridiculously easy to use.

Peppermint 4 does however have a very short shelf life now .. so you may be better off waiting for Peppermint 5 in May/June
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 08:06:10 am
Hi

Thanks, i am trying to bring 2 IBM T41 back to life at this stage i have been getting non pae, this happen on ubuntu 12.10, Mint lite and zorin, when i tried peppermint the t41 failed to install as it seem like the system froze, and ideals how i can get around this.

Thanks
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: chemicalfan on March 21, 2014, 08:52:41 am
You need to use a non-PAE kernel, try Puppy Linux (Slacko). It's a bit basic, but it's a good starter for ten
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 09:01:57 am
Thanks i just was looking in to the matter and i found  Lubuntu has a process of creating a fake-PAE , would this process work for pepperment
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: chemicalfan on March 21, 2014, 11:22:53 am
What process is that??
In theory, if it works on Lubuntu, it'll probably work on Peppermint, depending on if Peppermint ships a non-PAE kernel (not sure about that...)
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on March 21, 2014, 04:20:39 pm
Fake PAE will NOT work on CPU's that don't have support for PAE as it still installs a PAE kernel.

Some CPU's (namely some Pentium M and Celeron M processors) do actually support PAE, but don't report this when queried .. so Fake PAE is only a workaround to allow a PAE kernel to be installed on these systems.

If you have one of these CPU's, I'm told the Lubuntu Fake PAE installation routine can be used to install Peppermint 4 .. but ONLY on those CPU's

Does the T41 have a Pentium/Celeron "M" CPU ?



Your other option would be  to install Peppermint 3 which does have a non-PAE kernel, and as it's based on the last Ubuntu 12.04 long term support release should be good for a few years yet ;)

Peppermint 3 32bit ISO can be downloaded from the main Peppermint website here:
http://peppermintos.com/previous/

but for some reason that's the first Peppermint 3 .. there was a later respin which I have in my dropbox .. if you'd prefer the respin, let me know and I'll send you a link by personal message.

or you can get it as a torrent from here:
http://www.osst.co.uk/Download/peppermintos/?id=40

The respin is named Peppermint-3-20121105-i386.iso
and it's MD5 checksum should be
05157d6dbd4ab7953870e9ee308a70a5

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Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Emegra on March 21, 2014, 05:20:22 pm
Bodhi might worth a try they do a non PAE version Bodhi uses the enlightenment desktop which is very pretty but can take a bit of getting used to but it could be a good choice for a laptop

http://www.bodhilinux.com/downloads_desktop.php (http://www.bodhilinux.com/downloads_desktop.php)






Graeme
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 08:07:39 pm
I have installed Bodi and you right, it seems like its going to take some getting use to, I think i follow the above links and try peppermint 3, and my cpu on both IBMs is intel, :)
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Emegra on March 21, 2014, 08:25:37 pm
Yeah peppermint 3 would be a good choice, I have on my old Dell D600 (non PAE) and it flies

Good luck whichever way you go :)






Graeme




Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 08:27:27 pm
This is the process that saying how to install a fake pae


Make a USB stick for installation using the non-PAE 12.04 mini ISO. If your machine does not support boot from USB you have to burn a CD in stead.

Remember to have wired internet access during the entire process.

When the installation is finished reboot the computer.

The command

cat /proc/cpuinfo

does not show pae in the flags line for the processor. This is what we would like to change.

2

Run

sudo apt-get install python-software-properties

and after that

sudo apt-add-repository ppa:prof7bit/fake-pae

You will see a screen explaining about the PPA you are about to add. Just accept the text.

Now

sudo apt-get update

and

sudo apt-get install fake-pae

installs the fake-pae package.

Verify that

cat /proc/cpuinfo

now shows the pae flag.

In order to clean up unneeded files and save (a little) space run

sudo apt-get clean

3

If one now runs

sudo do-release-upgrade

in order to upgrade to 12.10 nothing happens, as 12.04 is a long term support release, and by default it only allows upgrades to another long term support release (regardless of PAE/non-PAE support). This must be changed before proceeding.

Executing

cd /etc/update-manager/

and

less release-upgrades

shows Prompt=lts at the bottom of release-upgrades. This must be changed to Prompt=normal.

After taking a back up with

sudo cp release-upgrades release-upgrades.backup

and executing

sudo sed -i s/Prompt=lts/Prompt=normal/ release-upgrades

the file is changed, as can be seen with another

less release-upgrades

4

Now

sudo do-release-upgrade

performs the upgrade to 12.10. You might be informed that sources.list will be changed, which is all right.

After the upgrade is completed reboot the computer and run

uname -a

which shows that the kernel is now 3.5.x

5

A second

sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get update
sudo do-release-upgrade

brings the system to 13.04. You might see a number of apparent errors during the upgrade, but wait a moment before considering it a failure.

After a reboot you could be greeted by a message saying that 13.04 is available, though you have just upgraded to 13.04. It's only a minor bug - when in doubt, as always try

uname -a

A kernel of 3.8.x indicates a successful upgrade to 13.04.

cat /proc/cpuinfo

and similar tools still show the fake pae flag.

6

Repeat step 5 to get to 13.10.

After a reboot

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get autoremove

is run in order to save a little space.

7

Now the desktop environment can be installed. The command

sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

gives the full installation, but often it's better to begin with the smallest selection of packages like

sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-core
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 08:41:36 pm
 :) Thanks
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on March 21, 2014, 08:48:45 pm
There is a posting on the Peppermint forum:
http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?p=36450#p36450 (http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?p=36450#p36450)

that explains how someone used the Lubuntu "grub-n-iso-n-swap" method and swapped out the Lubuntu ISO image for a Peppermint ISO image (renamed to the same name as the Lubuntu one) to install Peppermint 4 on a system with a Pentium M

But IMHO, you'd be better of just going with Peppermint 3
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 21, 2014, 09:01:35 pm
Yep i think your right, downloading peppermint 3 now, and i see how it goes
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on March 21, 2014, 09:17:45 pm
The major difference between Peppermint 3 and Peppermint 4 is PM4's use of the xfwm4 window manager .. I pretty sure wrote up how to install that in Peppermint 3 on here somewhere.

[EDIT]

Yup, I did:
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=10436.0 (http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=10436.0)

Doing so broke some keyboard shortcuts, but I should also be able to tell you how to get the keyboard shortcuts to work now too :)
Title: Re: Best distro to bring life back to my pc/laptop
Post by: awolfp on March 22, 2014, 06:17:06 am
 :)Its put spark back to the old notebook, works well Thanks
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