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Support => Peppermint => Topic started by: Toonman on April 30, 2014, 06:47:31 am

Title: Peppermint 5
Post by: Toonman on April 30, 2014, 06:47:31 am
Looking forward to Peppermint 5.  I recently installed Mint 16 on My business system and I'm not fussed on it.  If only PCmanFM would recognize volumes quicker it would be perfect but sometimes I can wait 20 minutes for it to recognize a usb stick....sometimes not at all. I have to use Thunar file manager and it works instantly.

Anybody got any clues as to what we can expect?  Is it LTS?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Emegra on April 30, 2014, 07:32:07 am
That's a strange issue you're having with the USB drives I've never experienced that at all

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Anybody got any clues as to what we can expect?  Is it LTS?

Peppermint 5 will continue the tradition of just getting better with each release, believe me this one's worth waiting for and as it's based on Lubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) so it will be an LTS release




Graeme
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Toonman on April 30, 2014, 08:29:30 am
Thanks Emegra, I wasn't sure if it was LTS.

Yes, the usb problem is strange but I have had the problem with 3 different computers so I think it might be the file manager.  Could be the usb stick.  I can't remember if I have tried different ones.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Emegra on April 30, 2014, 08:47:05 am
If this is only happening with one drive then my guess would be the drive is the problem the fact it works ok with Thunar could just mean there's something about that particular drive pcmanfm doesn't like which Thunar doesn't have a problem with, maybe reformatting the drive would help

If you have any other drives at hand I would try them first to try to isolate the problem, this does seem to be an unusual issue and the fact it's happening with 3 different PC's suggests to me the drive's behind it




Graeme
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on April 30, 2014, 11:21:14 am
That is most definitely a weird issue .. nobody else has reported it, and it certainly doesn't happen to me.

Have you tried the later version of pcmanfm from my PPA ?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Toonman on May 01, 2014, 01:29:48 pm
I haven’t tried the latest version Mark, I'm going to upgrade to PM5 when it's out so I may as well wait as I will be installing it on 4 computers.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on May 20, 2014, 09:56:16 am
So what's the story with Peppermint 5 at this current moment? Is there a hint of a release date, or maybe a "what's new" feature list?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on May 20, 2014, 11:12:49 am
Beta testing starts in a couple of days .. so hopefully "soon" .. I'm afraid I can't say anything more than that, as Peppermint release when it's deemed "ready" and not to a fixed schedule.

I must add the Lubuntu 14.04 base seemed very "buggy" this time around.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on May 20, 2014, 12:07:18 pm
Beta testing starts in a couple of days .. so hopefully "soon" .. I'm afraid I can't say anything more than that, as Peppermint release when it's deemed "ready" and not to a fixed schedule.

Sure thing, I know the score :)
It just that if you've been exposed to the pre-public beta or alpha builds, you might have more of a flavour of how long the whole QA process will take, reading between the lines....

I must add the Lubuntu 14.04 base seemed very "buggy" this time around.

But this seems to give me the best answer to the question!
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Toonman on June 04, 2014, 12:51:47 pm
Still waiting. Well I suppose it will be worth waiting for.  :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Emegra on June 04, 2014, 04:22:50 pm
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Still waiting. Well I suppose it will be worth waiting for

Definitely worth waiting for I don't want to give too much away at this point but it shouldn't be long now :)




Graeme
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: cicero on June 23, 2014, 07:31:27 am
As I have installed P4 on two of my friend's laptops I shall hopefully be updating them to P5 asap.

However,  i wondered if it would it be sensible for a novice like me to wait a while before installing P5 in case there are bugs that need to be fixed?
I don't have the knowledge or understanding to fix stuff and don't want to install on other peoples' machines if it may cause a problem for them.

P4 is working OK  so no great loss although i'm like a small child waiting for the latest "toy".

Is Peppermint not generally released until after testing has been done anyway?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Emegra on June 23, 2014, 07:51:18 am
Hi cicero

All things going to plan Peppermint 5 will be be released today, and I'm sure Mark will announce it when it does

PM5 has went through rigorous testing throughout the beta phase that's not to say there aren't any bugs slipped under the radar, but I suppose that applies to any software but any that are discovered after release will receive updates and fixes, so personally I don't think you have anything to fear from installing straight away if that's what you want to do

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i'm like a small child waiting for the latest "toy"

Aren't we all :)


Graeme


Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: cicero on June 23, 2014, 09:42:56 am
Hi cicero

All things going to plan Peppermint 5 will be be released today, and I'm sure Mark will announce it when it does

PM5 has went through rigorous testing throughout the beta phase that's not to say there aren't any bugs slipped under the radar, but I suppose that applies to any software but any that are discovered after release will receive updates and fixes, so personally I don't think you have anything to fear from installing straight away if that's what you want to do

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i'm like a small child waiting for the latest "toy"

Aren't we all :)


Graeme

Hi, Graeme

Thanks for that gives me confidence to install as soon as it's available.

I have to say I'm a rather old "small child" although the wife reckons i've never grown up!!  :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 23, 2014, 11:03:34 am
I can tell you the RC version seems remarkably bug free to me .. at least on the 2 PC's I'm running it on, and nobody in the beta group has reported any problems with it :)

Beta testing went well, with at least all the major bugs being identified and dealt with .. as Emegra points out, this is no guarantee there won't be some minor bugs (as there always are in any software) that weren't identified but by definition that means they're not going to affect most users. .. any small bugs identified post-release will be dealt with through updates.

Peppermint 5 is certainly (IMHO) "ready" .. as you correctly suggested Peppermint don't release to a fixed schedule, it's only released when the beta group stop finding bugs, and it's considered "ready for release" :)

I'll never understand those distros that release to a schedule, even with known bugs in place .. marketing men say this is a good idea but I'm not convinced, the fact that (like you suggested) a LOT of people wait for the .1 releases of those distro's seems to suggest they're wrong :o

IMHO, at least the LTS releases should be as bug free as possible BEFORE release .. but that's just my opinion.

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Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: cicero on June 23, 2014, 12:51:16 pm
Hi, Mark

Thanks for the update and info. as always you provide lots of useful detail and talk a lot of good sense.   :)

Doug
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 23, 2014, 02:45:52 pm
Odd innit ? .. the missus says I talk complete b*ll*cks  :o
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Emegra on June 23, 2014, 03:49:53 pm
I can't speak for anyone else on here but I'm with Marks missus on this  ;D





Graeme
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 23, 2014, 06:29:18 pm
Hehehe .. I'd show her that, she'd find it amusing .. but I'd loose my refuge in the process :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: mako6 on June 23, 2014, 11:36:30 pm
And did they simultaneously stop updates on Pep4,  cause nothing works, even apt-get commands. That is evil, but I saw some release about only 1 yr support for Pep4, which was released in June 2013.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 24, 2014, 02:06:17 am
We've done NOTHING to disable anything in Peppermint 4

apt-get commands should still work .. but only for installing software .. Peppermint 4 hasn't been recieving updates for 3 months now .. Ubuntu turned off support for 13.04 3 months ago.

but there;s no reason Pepeprmint 4 should have broken today .. pure coincidence.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on June 24, 2014, 08:49:04 am
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but are Peppermint going to follow what Mint have done, and only release on Ubuntu LTS releases? I ask, because a release is a lot of work & testing, and only for 9 months support (probably 2 of which will be lost during the testing cycle). It remains to be seen how Mint are going to handle the long-term support - I'm hoping with some aggressive backporting to keep application versions fresh, but that brings a whole other problem with toolkits etc. needing upgrade too.

I know there are a lot of things underfoot with Peppermint in general (DE, for one, FM another), so maybe it isn't even decided yet?
Also, is there a torrent up for the PM5 ISOs yet?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 24, 2014, 09:02:41 am
Not decided yet, but we'll be watching what Mint do for sure .. luckily Peppermint have a year to decide, so get to see how it goes for Mint 18 ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on June 24, 2014, 09:59:57 am
Not decided yet, but we'll be watching what Mint do for sure .. luckily Peppermint have a year to decide, so get to see how it goes for Mint 18 ;)

Nope, Mint 18 isn't due out for two years (Ubuntu 16.04)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 24, 2014, 11:45:00 am
I thought they were still doing a new release evry 6 months .. just sticking with the previous LTS as itss code base ?

So if 17 is the current release, Mint 21 would be the first to use the 16.04 code base .. 17, 18, 19, and 20 would all use the 14.o4 code base, giving us time to see how it goes for Mint 18 (still using the 14.04 code base rather than 14.10).

*Personally* I'd be happy to stick with the 14.04 code base for Peppermint 6 .. and just use it as a features testbed for Peppermint 7 but Ubuntu may add new tech in the meantime that's going to be of use to us in Peppermint 7 .. so it may turn out that testing is better done on the most recent code base.

Luckily we don't have to make that decision yet .. and it's not my decision to make ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on June 24, 2014, 11:57:20 am
Hmm, I understood it that you'll get a Mint ISO respin in line with the Ubuntu ones (i.e. 14.04.1). I guess whether they call it Mint 18, Mint 17.1, or stick with Mint 17, is moot :P

I don't know much about Ubuntu backports, I know Debian Stable are awful, as they value stability over newer versions. Kinda hoping that Ubuntu are better than that, don't wanna still be on Firefox 30 in 5 years time!!
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: mako6 on June 25, 2014, 09:19:58 am
Peppermint 4 only had one year support? Jeeze I thought you said it was going to have continued Ubuntu support if Peppermint stopped. I installed it 2 weeks ago and it did alot of updates. But now it can't even update the repositories. Somehow, though, I still did a batch of updates for 8.04, so LTS get support forever?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: chemicalfan on June 25, 2014, 09:47:46 am
Not forever, LTS support is 5 years, so I'm surprised 8.04 received anything?!

Anyway, Peppermint 4 was based on Ubuntu 13.04, which support ended in April 2014. Peppermint 5 support I think is 5 years, but if it's based on Lubuntu 14.04, then it may only be 3 years. Still, 3 years isn't too shabby
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 25, 2014, 11:08:47 am
Show me where I said Peppermint Four was an LTS, or where I said Ubuntu would support it when Peppermint stopped ??
(you're thinking of Peppermint Three which was based on an LTS, as is Peppermint 5)

Just because you "thought" I said something doesn't mean I did  >:(

I've gone out of my way to explain where Peppermint 3, 4, and 5 stand as far as updates, but can't be held responsible for your misunderstanding.

I assume you're going to apologise when you can't find me having said that ?
(as I most certainly would if you could)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: mako6 on June 26, 2014, 03:05:50 am
Yes, maybe it was Pep 3,sorry, but still 1 year and then nothing is pretty shabby. I put in Pep4 thinking it would have longer support- had no clue which was LTS. Don't know if I can do Pep 5- these old beasts are very touchy about what they boot up from. I'm pretty surprised this antique Toshiba did this- in that vein, is it possible a firmware update for a new 2009 Sony DVD burner I installed on my ACER would make it far more accepting of boot discs? At this point, it won't even do Pep3, only booting from original Ubuntu 8.04 and a few others.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on June 26, 2014, 08:52:29 am
sorry, but still 1 year and then nothing is pretty shabby

Perfectly in line with what pretty mucfh everyone else does, and well publicised .. but yeah, you'd expect more for the money they charge....

I mean .. for the grand total of "FREE" you'd expect a lifetime commitment from them wouldn't you
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