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Title: [SOLVED] Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ help diag problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 06, 2014, 05:16:40 pm
I am having speed problems with my broadband and VM will not help any further as I am not running Window$, so I am having to see if I can install my copy of XP in place of where I have installed one of my Ubuntu or variants.
All my HD's are formatted to EXT4 so I know I'm going to have to format a partition to NTFS to install XP.
Is it as easy as installing Ubuntu to a partition or is there more involved?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: SeZo on July 06, 2014, 05:35:41 pm
No, it is not as easy as that. Remeber according to Windows there IS no other operating system out there.
I would suggest (if you have a spare HDD) to remove ALL disks that contain other operating systems and leave in place the one you can dedicate to XP.
There should be no partitions on this drive prior to install. In other words, you dedicate the HDD and machine to XP.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 06, 2014, 06:05:23 pm
I'm sure I can manage that. I have Kubuntu 14.04 on sda and I've given up using it as it seems rather unstable as it keeps crashing.
Do I just install as normal on sda (I know in window$ its called something else). Is there anything I need to do about the grub after installing XP?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 06, 2014, 08:15:02 pm
I've done a search (which was a rare find) to install Window$ SECOND and have Ubuntu as a first install instead of the usual Window$.
http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm#null (http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm#null)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 06, 2014, 10:43:46 pm
I have got my XP Install disc and decided to wipe sda and put XP on it, BUT...

When booting and selecting to install XP on sda it will not install it either when the HD is formatted to NTFS or wiped and unformatted. am I doing something wrong???

When trying to install XP, I am informed that XP is unable to be installed due to the HD not being NTFS and given the option to go back and format it but when I do that, it still comes up with 'unable to install' because of the HD's format.

[EDIT]
I am using GParted in Ubuntu 14.04 to format sda.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: SeZo on July 06, 2014, 10:55:38 pm
If you are installing XP on to the first drive (/dev/sda) then from gparted delete all partitions so it is all free space, then go Device->Create Partition Table->MSDOS and stop there.
Then use the XP install disk to create the partitions during install.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 07, 2014, 10:23:48 am
I've tried that, I wipe the HD so it shows 'unallocated' then highlight the drive again then select 'Device' then select 'Create Partition Table'.
Then reboot to install XP but it still comes up with 'Unable to install'
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: chemicalfan on July 07, 2014, 01:04:59 pm
If you delete the partition table and don't create a new one (i.e. leave as unallocated), does XP install then?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 07, 2014, 03:11:05 pm
Not that I can recall.
I have tried many different variations but will have a last attempt at setting partition table and file system at unallocated and then set to msdos and unallocated.
I don't want to hear that the HD is dead  ;) as it was booting perfectly fine with Kubuntu 14.04.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 07, 2014, 03:15:09 pm
Just had a look at what I can set the partition table to and there is no setting to set it to nothing, only;
msdos
aix
amiga
bsd
dvh
gpt
mac
pc98
sun
loop
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: chemicalfan on July 07, 2014, 04:51:48 pm
You don't *HAVE* to set it, just delete the partition table and leave it at that
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 07, 2014, 06:37:46 pm
Tried it and it is still failing to install, saying it's not a valid XP partition or something, even after the installation disk partitions it.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: SeZo on July 07, 2014, 06:55:45 pm
You could try to follow the instructions from here (http://tweakhound.com/xp/installxp/installXP1.htm) and see if you get anywhere.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 07, 2014, 08:35:16 pm
Could the drive still have a corrupt partition table with an invalid GPT signature.

See here:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/287352/ubuntu-13-04-installation-does-not-detect-windows-7 (http://askubuntu.com/questions/287352/ubuntu-13-04-installation-does-not-detect-windows-7)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 08, 2014, 07:32:13 pm
Tried that Mark but it's still failing to install as its coming up with 'not a valid XP partition'
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 08, 2014, 08:14:07 pm
You're either going to have to use Gparted to creeate a single large NTFS partition on the drive.

or

use the fdisk command from the XP recovery console to create a windows partition.
(yes Windows has an fdisk command too)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 08, 2014, 10:26:01 pm
I'll try first with part partitioning the Hd but as it's failing to do that itself with the install disk, I'm not 100% sure it'll work.
But we won't know unless we try eh!
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 08, 2014, 10:36:36 pm
That failed, still comes up with not an XP partition.
So... How do I use the fdisk to create it from within the install disk?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 08, 2014, 11:21:21 pm
When you get to the partitioning part of the XP install (blue screen yellow writing) as pictured here:
http://superuser.com/questions/55929/how-to-solve-disk-does-not-contain-a-windows-xp-compatible-partition-during-in (http://superuser.com/questions/55929/how-to-solve-disk-does-not-contain-a-windows-xp-compatible-partition-during-in)
Use the down arrow to selecdt a partition and hit D to delete it .. until you have non left.

Then hit C and create a single partition using the whole disk, and tell XP to format it as NTFS.

[EDIT]

Damn .. got sucked into providing Windows support on a Linux forum again  ::)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 08, 2014, 11:59:41 pm
That won't/didn’t work (tried it many times before). So...
I've figured on a workaround... I've installed Virtualbox and installed XP in there.
I only need it to please VM as they wont give me any tech support if I'm not running Window$
They want me to run through some settings to check my end as they say there's nothing wrong with anything their end  ???
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 12:40:43 am
How stupid is that  .. what's the point in checking if it's a problem with Windows settings if you don't use Windows .. duh ::)
(I think it's safe to assume it's NOT a windows setting issue)

If they NEED a Windows PC at your end, tell them to damn well provide one .. or ask them to show you where in their T&C's it said you had to provide a Windows diagnostics machine and do their job for them.
(blithering idiots)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:11:30 am
They've done this before... Told me that as I am not running Win or MAC they can't provide any tech support.

On another note, can I increase the size of a virtual Hd after creating it? (VirtualMachine, not KVM)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 01:38:56 am
If you mean virtualbox - If you set the virtual HDD to "dynamic" when you created it (I'm pretty sure that's the default) it will dynamically adjust its own size with no user intervention needed .. the figure you put in to start with is only the "beginning" size.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:45:08 am
The size of the virtual Hd is not increasing as I am trying to do a speedtest at speedtest.net and I cant as I do not have flash installed and when I try to install it I get 'Not enough Hd space'
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 01:51:31 am
Code: [Select]
VBoxManage modifyhd </path/to/YOUR_HARD_DISK.vdi> --resize <SIZE_IN_MB>

or see here:
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-easily-resize-virtualbox-40-hard.html (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-easily-resize-virtualbox-40-hard.html)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 02:13:16 am
I've increased the Hd size to 1000000 Mb and the Flash install is still coming up with not enough disk space ???
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 02:42:47 am
I managed to do it by searching the same problem and found direct install links.
I then performed a speedtest at speedtest.net
XP first and got;
Ping 11
Download 160.57Mbps
Upload 9.81 Mbps

Kubuntu
Ping 16
Download 108.34
Upload 12.14

I would attribute the max speed to lack of traffic but to have got speeds as low as 9Mbps is shocking.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 02:49:56 am
You do realise that upload bandwidth is pretty much always more limited than download bandwidth ?

Where are you getting your 9Mbps from ?

Do you know what VM say your max upload speed is supposed to be ?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 03:02:20 am
Just looked on the VM forum and as far as I can figure, upload speed is 10% of your download speed...
I am using VM Nottingham to do my speedtests from.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 03:11:27 am
There is definitely <something> up as I am getting much faster speeds when doing a speedtest in XP compared to Kubuntu.
Last speedtest was Kubuntu 24.69Mbps XP 155.72Mbps
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: SeZo on July 09, 2014, 07:13:27 am
Are sure you do not mix Megabits and Megabytes?
Those two speeds are roughly equivalent if Kubuntu 24.69 is expressed in MB/s and the XP 155.72 Mb/s
You can use Google's simple MB/Mb converter (https://www.google.com/search?q=megabyte+megabit+converter)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: chemicalfan on July 09, 2014, 11:11:17 am
That's weird, speedtest is just a website, it shouldn't matter how it's accessed at the client end. It should behave the same regardless of whether it's XP, Linux, Mac, Android, or iPad. Do you get consistant results in a given OS if you run it repeatedly?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:05:02 pm
Check out this thread/msg...
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=11920.msg95600#msg95600
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 01:13:45 pm
Are these with an ethernet cable, or wireless ?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:22:01 pm
Cable as we’ve only got the one pooter ATM
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:24:15 pm
More speedtest results; The latest at the top are good D/L speeds XP, bad ones Kubuntu.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 01:40:30 pm
This doesn't make ANY sense...

If you're in an XP VM inside Kubuntu, Kubuntu (as far as I understand it) still has control of the ethernet adapter.

Are there "real world" differences in the time taken to download a file ?

What's the output from:
Code: [Select]
ifconfig
?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 01:56:29 pm
pooky2483@pooky2483-Kubuntu-1204-3:~$ ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:24:8c:bc:10:83 
          inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::224:8cff:febc:1083/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:2426557 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:768852 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:3237771862 (3.2 GB)  TX bytes:260764196 (260.7 MB)
          Interrupt:42 Base address:0x8000

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback 
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:39531 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:39531 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:4356271 (4.3 MB)  TX bytes:4356271 (4.3 MB)

pooky2483@pooky2483-Kubuntu-1204-3:~$
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 02:00:36 pm
Dont quite get what you mean by 'Are there real world differences'
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 02:15:07 pm
Dont quite get what you mean by 'Are there real world differences'

I mean, does it repeatedly take longer to download a "real" file in Kubuntu than windows .. or are you solely relying on the numbers given to you by the speedtest site ?

Have yo tried disabling IPv6 ?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 02:27:17 pm
IPv6 is disabled.
I just downloaded XPSP3 in Kubuntu and the fastest DL speed I saw was 4Mbps and in XP it went to 8Mbps
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 02:39:37 pm
You're still relying on figures .. did it actually take longer ?

Just in case it IS something in your Kubuntu setup .. have you tried from say a Ubuntu or Peppermint LiveCD/LiveUSB ?
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 04:34:46 pm
I'll try that in a bit Mark, the boss (Mrs pooky) has got me doing a bit of gardening putting plants in the front garden lol
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 07:00:14 pm
I take it from your other topic that Kubuntu is actually quicker than XP in "real world" tests :)
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=11920.msg95837#msg95837 (http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=11920.msg95837#msg95837)
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 09, 2014, 09:49:50 pm
... A LOT quicker judging by the times...
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 09, 2014, 09:59:26 pm
I  think this is one of those cases where you should believe your eyes rather than the figures which could be being skewed by a number of factors.

Maybe if the speedtest is relying on something like flash or java and simple timing.

What I'm saying is that Windows may start off a small download faster but then choke, and Linux start off slower then climb .. but if the speedtest only downloads a small file as the test it would be skewed in Windows favour where in the real world it would all balance out.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: SeZo on July 09, 2014, 10:54:45 pm
There is some clever marketing gone into VM speed ratings. See here (http://store.virginmedia.com/broadband/speeds-explained/index.html)
Quote
So how fast are we talking?
Our up to 152Mb broadband makes light work of even the heftiest downloads:

    A whole music album (60MB) in 4 seconds
    A TV show (350MB) in 20 seconds
    An HD movie (4.7GB) in under 5 minutes
    An XBOX game download (20GB) in under 20 minutes

You do the maths, but in my book that is around 18-19MB/s max.
Now if you take that the 152Mb is expressed in megabits then the theoretical speed is 19MB megabytes (152/8)=19
As I have tried to point this out several times, you have been running around for nothing, VM was right all along, there is nothing wrong with your connection.
Title: Re: Want (or rather NEED to) install Window$ to help diagnose a problem... Need help
Post by: pooky2483 on July 11, 2014, 05:59:55 pm
I know what you’re saying Sezo but to see speeds of 150'ish and then later see speeds as low as 9 is quite a shock.
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