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Title: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 27, 2018, 01:01:12 pm
Hi Linux guys! I will be looking for a 4GB laptop with Linux on it over the next couple of months, as altho I love my Chromebook I need a laptop with 4GB of RAM and Skype compatible as I am working towards being a self employed tutor ( of which I'd be using Skype for online tutoring) and my Chromebook has only 1 GB of RAM and can't use Skype on it. If anyone has one or will have one please PM me. I'd rather get one that is already Linuxed as it will save me posting on here to get instructions on how to load a distro on it, which would take several posts as I'm not au fait with that really. The last time I did that it took me 4 hours live with Mark giving me step by step instructions lol.

P.S- I don't want a desktop as they are too big and unmoveable and I have no space to set one up.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 27, 2018, 01:13:52 pm
New or secondhand ?

What spec are you after ? .. screen size, processor, etc.

What is your budget ?

Any distro preference ?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 28, 2018, 05:19:39 pm
New or secondhand ?

What spec are you after ? .. screen size, processor, etc.

What is your budget ?

Any distro preference ?

Hey there Mark! Long time no see! Well to answer your questions: It will prob have to be second hand as my budget will be no more than £200. I'm hoping the women's organisation  I'll be going to for business support can get me a grant ( they do look into that for you). I could of course go to cash converters, but unsure if I could get a 4GB RAM laptop that is a good 'un for £200 or under. I might have a look next time I go to town (  I have a cold at the moment).

Well I dunno much about processors, but an SSD drive would be preferred if  I can get one with that, a decent screen size ( at least 13 inches length, 6 inches height, same as my Chromebook), distro no huge preference as long as it's working fast.  I've used Mint and Peppermint before.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 28, 2018, 05:20:38 pm
Obviously if I could get a laptop with even more RAM than 4GB for the budget that would be even better. One cannot have too much RAM!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 28, 2018, 07:40:00 pm
If I were you I'd get something like one of these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-E5430-Laptop-Core-i5-3320M-500GB-SSHD-8GB-RAM-14-1600x900-Win-10-Dock/232943272446 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-E5430-Laptop-Core-i5-3320M-500GB-SSHD-8GB-RAM-14-1600x900-Win-10-Dock/232943272446)
or
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-E5430-2-70GHz-Intel-Core-i5-8GB-320GB-Webcam-1600x900-HDMI/173322243145 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-E5430-2-70GHz-Intel-Core-i5-8GB-320GB-Webcam-1600x900-HDMI/173322243145)
and install Linux on it yourself (I can help).

Staying inside your £200 budget (just) you could even get a 250GB SSD to replace the Hard drive with .. it'd then fly like the wind.

I **REALLY** rate the Dell "E" series laptops .. a bit heavy, but built like tanks
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 12:15:01 pm
Yeah, of course seen plenty on ebay but don't really want to get one from there as it could have something wrong with it then there is the expense and faff of sending it back and making a claim etc etc. I'd rather someone on this forum would have one to sell all ready Linuxed! It took me 4 hours with you typing a command for me to follow line by line to load Peppermint on that old HD laptop a few years ago! I'm not keen on a heavy old laptop either because I have my machine on my knee a lot and it needs to be light. I expect I'll end up going to cash converters after all and then paying a computer shop to put Linux on it. (My local LUG group never want to put on distros for me even tho I tell them I will pay them).
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 12:23:38 pm
Oh I just saw that some ebay computer sellers have warranties- that is allright then.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 12:36:36 pm
I actually quite like this one Mark- never been used and has an SSD drive. 4GB RAM, but I could go to that nice Polish computer shop who fixed my Chromebook and ask him to put more RAM on it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0)
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 12:43:16 pm
To be honest I'd get  another Chromebook with 4- 8 GB RAM if it wasn't for the driver issues ( not being able to easily set up a printer to them and scanners not working on them) and the Skype issue as they are so light and easy to use- all the system is set up and it updates itself.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 12:51:53 pm
I actually quite like this one Mark- never been used and has an SSD drive. 4GB RAM, but I could go to that nice Polish computer shop who fixed my Chromebook and ask him to put more RAM on it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0)

I can't guarantee that hardware as I've never tried Linux on one (where I have the Dell) .. and being an Aspire, it's going to be cheap and plasticy (though probably light), as opposed to the Dell "E" series metal construction (because it was a business class machine when sold new).

I guess it depends what you're after newer but cheap/plastic, or a bit older but MUCH better made.

As I have half a dozen Dell "E" series laptops, I guess it's obvious which I prefer .. that said I wouldn't want to lug one of these metal bodied tanks around with me all day.
(super solid, and immensely well built from quality components .. but HEAVY)
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 12:58:58 pm
Oh, and the 32GB SSD on that Acer Aspire is going to be quite limiting and possible un-swapable (soldered to the board).

As I said, you could get say a 256GB SSD for the Dell.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:00:43 pm
I actually quite like this one Mark- never been used and has an SSD drive. 4GB RAM, but I could go to that nice Polish computer shop who fixed my Chromebook and ask him to put more RAM on it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-ASPIRE-A114-31-C8M3-14inch-Laptop-with-4Gb-RAM-32Gb-Solid-State-Drive/153181495456?hash=item23aa5420a0:g:NYcAAOSwU-1aiGzT#viTabs_0)

I can't guarantee that hardware as I've never tried Linux on one (where I have the Dell) .. and being an Aspire, it's going to be cheap and plasticy (though probably light), as opposed to the Dell "E" series metal construction (because it was a business class machine when sold new).

I guess it depends what you're after newer but cheap/plastic, or a bit older but MUCH better made.

I know what you are saying Mark, but I want one that is light like my Chromebook as I will have it on my lap a lot. A heavy older one will get uncomfortable after awhile. It also has the SSD drive in it, so that saves me a lot of faff buying one and then taking it to the computer shop to get installed. I have no idea how to install hardware so can't do it myself. I just rang the Polish computer guy- he is able to install Linux distros for £50. If I get a laptop like this with an SSD that will do me on 4GB RAM to start off with, then he could put more RAM on it if needed later on.

I thought Linux would work on any computer? I had that old HP one that ran Peppermint ( until the hardware go corrupted).

Of course I could save myself the £50 with you "coaching" me how to install a distro here ( I have a USB stick) but that will take  about 4 hours! Have you the time for that?  I'm not good at loading systems!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:02:03 pm
Yep, looks like I was right .. the Aspires 32GB SSD is an eMMC device (slower and less reliable than SATA) and soldered to the board so cannot be replaced/upgraded
https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/545006/upgrade-ssd-on-acer-aspire-a114-31

Seriously .. steer clear of eMMC SSD's .. get something with a "proper" replaceable SATA drive.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:02:51 pm
Oh, and the 32GB SSD on that Acer Aspire is going to be quite limiting and possible un-swapable (soldered to the board).

As I said, you could get say a 256GB SSD for the Dell

Oh, right I see. Yes but it will be heavy on my lap and uncomfortable then I have to spend more money on an SSD drive and then paying the Polish computer guy to install it.

So it is not a good idea to buy a laptop with an SSD already in it?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:03:35 pm
Yep, looks like I was right .. the Aspires 32GB SSD is an eMMC device (slower and less reliable than SATA) and soldered to the board so cannot be replaced/upgraded
https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/545006/upgrade-ssd-on-acer-aspire-a114-31

Well thanks, that's useful to know. So I need to get one that can be removed/replaced?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:05:47 pm
Actually that first Dell you linked does not look as heavy as that old HP laptop I used to have.  Hey this sounds good Mark:

For sale a used Dell E5430 Laptop and Dell Latitude E-Port II Replicator Docking Station. This was used most of the time in the dock with an external mouse, keyboard and monitor connected. Fast machine and perfect for general use. This model has a Solid State Hybrid Drive which is faster than a normal Hard Drive and it has the higher resolution display which makes it much more enjoyable to use.

That prob would be perfect for my PC needs!

I get paid from some work I did recently on the 12th October. I bet it won't be listed by then, but I will put it in my basket anyway and keep my fingers crossed-----

I might just be able to afford it and then when I get some sort of grant put the money back in my bank.

Looks like I might have to ask you to help me load a distro, but be warned it'll take hours! I'm duff at that sort of thing. :-[
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:12:56 pm
Well thanks, that's useful to know. So I need to get one that can be removed/replaced?

Preferably YES.

Doesn't really matter if it comes with an HDD, that can always be swapped for an SSD later (or straight away), on the Dell it's 6 screws to swap out the HDD for a SATA SSD.

The Dell is not that heavy that it's uncomfortable on the lap .. just a bit heavy if it's to be carried around all day.

I can't decide for you .. I can only advise on stuff I know about (or research on ones you specify) .. at the end of the day, only you know what you want ;)

[EDIT]

They hybrid drive in that one should be nearly as quick as an SSD .. but like any drive with moving parts, more prone to physical damage than a true SSD.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:18:39 pm
How to swap out an HDD for an SSD on a Dell E5430

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ryn3u6btA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ryn3u6btA)

Stupid simple :)

And installing Linux is also very straight forward
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:20:31 pm
Preferably YES.

Doesn't really matter if it comes with an HDD, that can always be swapped for an SSD later (or straight away), on the Dell it's 4 screws to swap out the HDD for a SATA SSD.

The Dell is not that heavy that it's uncomfortable on the lap .. just a bit heavy if it's to be carried around all day.

I can't decide for you .. I can only advise on stuff I know about (or research on ones you specify) .. at the end of the day, only you know what you want ;)

Well I wouldn't be carrying it about really- if I take a laptop put with me it's usually just to my mother's or a vegan social centre I go to and cook at sometimes- would take the Chromebook then. I would only take it around my flat- move to dining table to work at, into bedroom to watch summat online of a night under duvet etc. But I could still use Chromebook for that anyway ( watching you tube vids).

But that hybrid drive on this Dell sounds good as it is!

I'm sold on this one already thanks Mark. Hope it will still be there ( or another one similar) next month. At least I know what to look for now.

Are you sure you don't mind the great deal of "coaching" I'll need to load a distro on it? It took us 4 hours last time lol. But maybe I understand IT a bit more now than then. I was quite new to Linux then ( that was back in about 2011).


Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:22:44 pm
How to swap out an HDD for an SSD on a Dell E5430

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ryn3u6btA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ryn3u6btA)

Stupid simple :)

And installing Linux is also very straight forward

It might be for you but I'm hopeless at that sort of thing lol. I'd leave that to the Polish computer guy. But that hybrid drive in the Dell sounds fine for my needs to me.

Installing Linux might be straightforward to you Mark but to a dunce like me not so much. If I remember rightly last time it took a ton of typing commands into the terminal and 4 hours to complete lol.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:24:17 pm
I'm fine with talking you through installing a Linux distro :)

And if that's gone when you have the money, we can see what else is available.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:24:51 pm
It comes with a "Dell Latitude E-Port II Replicator Docking Station". What's that?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:26:51 pm
I'm fine with talking you through installing a Linux distro :)

And if that's gone when you have the money, we can see what else is available.

Thanks Mark. At least I'll be able to boast to my machead computer geek brother that I loaded ANOTHER distro onto a laptop lol.

Yes, I'll do a search on ebay a couple of days before pay day if that one is sold. I hope it won't be!

Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:29:21 pm
A docking station adds extra ports (additional USB ports, etc), and depending on the docking station an additional way of charging the thing .. think of it as a stand you slot the laptop into that gives it all the extra ports of a desktop PC
(You'll likely not use it much .. but nice to have)

Here's the kind of thing .. the dell just sits atop of it because it has a port for the dock underneath
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replicator-Docking-Station-Adapter-PR03X/dp/B004I61RCM (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replicator-Docking-Station-Adapter-PR03X/dp/B004I61RCM)
or
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-452-11422-Docking-E5420-Latitude-E5440-Latitude-E5520-Latitude/dp/B00R49ENN0 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-452-11422-Docking-E5420-Latitude-E5440-Latitude-E5520-Latitude/dp/B00R49ENN0)
(remember it's an OPTION .. you don't HAVE to use it)

(http://i.imgur.com/AeAlnsy.png)
And now you have a desktop PC

Oh, and on these Dell's, installing Linux is a piece of cake .. no commandline stuff to fix issues, because they were DESIGNED with both Windows and Linux in mind ;)
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 01:43:17 pm
A docking station adds extra ports (additional USB ports, etc), and depending on the docking station an additional way of charging the thing .. think of it as a stand you slot the laptop into that gives it all the extra ports of a desktop PC
(You'll likely not use it much .. but nice to have)

Here's the kind of thing .. the dell just sits atop of it because it has a port for the dock underneath
[url]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replicator-Docking-Station-Adapter-PR03X/dp/B004I61RCM[/url] ([url]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replicator-Docking-Station-Adapter-PR03X/dp/B004I61RCM[/url])
or
[url]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-452-11422-Docking-E5420-Latitude-E5440-Latitude-E5520-Latitude/dp/B00R49ENN0[/url] ([url]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-452-11422-Docking-E5420-Latitude-E5440-Latitude-E5520-Latitude/dp/B00R49ENN0[/url])
(remember it's an OPTION .. you don't HAVE to use it)

([url]http://http://i.imgur.com/AeAlnsy.png[/url])
And now you have a desktop PC

Oh, and on these Dell's, installing Linux is a piece of cake .. no commandline stuff to fix issues, because they were DESIGNED with both Windows and Linux in mind ;)


Oh that port would be useful to me Mark! I plug in e cigs and my digital camera etc into ports so extra ones are good! I've also got blue tooth speakers.

Hey that is cool to know regarding the Dell and Linux. I will not get any laptop except one of those now you've told me all this. That's why I posted here as I know you know your stuff.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:49:19 pm
There's a REASON I recommend Dell E series to pretty much everyone ;)

You only have to search the Peppermint forum to discover that .. and nearly all the Peppermint forum staff have Dell E series too
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 01:53:23 pm
For example .. here's a post that shows just how solidly built they are
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,6452.msg65443.html#msg65443
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 02:29:02 pm
There's a REASON I recommend Dell E series to pretty much everyone ;)

You only have to search the Peppermint forum to discover that .. and nearly all the Peppermint forum staff have Dell E series too

I do remember you recommended Dell E series laptops to me before yes.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 02:33:10 pm
For example .. here's a post that shows just how solidly built they are
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,6452.msg65443.html#msg65443

Was yours in the wild west before you got it lol. I see what you mean- they are tough!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 02:41:45 pm
Oh, by the way I haven't forgotten about my Dell inspiron mini netbook. We were gonna see if it could be updated a few months ago, but I decided to leave it as it is for the time being as I need it for my scanner. When I have the new laptop and got it Linuxed ( so can use my scanner on it) can we look at the mini again Mark? I wouldn't really need it for anything anymore so I would prob gift it or sell it for a tenner on Gumtree, but as it is right now it isn't fully operational as it needs flash updates and has no sound.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on September 29, 2018, 03:41:26 pm
Sure.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on September 29, 2018, 05:40:35 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 03, 2018, 09:32:36 pm
The Dell E laptop we were looking at Mark is now gone, but on the 10th and 11th I will look for another and if you have the time please would you assist me find one? Pay day is around the 12th. I've been to the business appt and no funding around now, so my budget will be about £150 max.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 03, 2018, 10:04:51 pm
Sure .. gimme a shout when you're ready.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 08, 2018, 09:34:12 pm
Hey Mark good news! My bro who is a nurse has a laptop I can have- just got an email off my mother. She said he told her it's a good one ( not old) and he has hardly used it. So I expect to acquire that in a week or two. I don't know what the model/specs are yet but asked my Mum to ask him ( I don't see him that often as he's always at work).

So it should be Linux-able and if there is less than 4GB RAM I could get the Polish computer guy to put more on.

I'll keep you posted!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 09, 2018, 08:35:56 am
Cool .. gimme a shout once you have it and I'll help you install Linux if you want.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 21, 2018, 01:03:38 pm
Cool .. gimme a shout once you have it and I'll help you install Linux if you want.

Well I never Mark my mother emailed me Friday and said my bro had taken the laptop to my other bro A- who loves macs and  the other bro had not been able to boot it up saying he thought it had crashed ( he hardly used the laptop which he got as a gift brand new about 2 years ago). So A- who is good at IT said he would check it over and then put Linux onto it. He told my mother he's put Linux on his, but he always had macs so I wonder if he's been converted to Linux Mark! He would never use any OS but mac before.  He replied to my email about what distro he's got- it's Ubuntu. I sent him a link to Peppermint 9 and suggested he might wanna try this one if he hasn't already put Ubuntu on it. If he has no worries, just as you say Peppermint is lighter on the desktop.

I've asked him in the email what the model of the laptop is and how much RAM it's got.

So, when I get it I'll have a look and see how it's running. I will prob have something for us to do Mark such as finding a software that I can use to make videos ( I want to make videos of my artwork), oh and when I'm happy that this laptop is running great then there is that little Dell netbook to sort out. It runs very slow and has no sound! It's got Mint right now. But it only has 1GB RAM and a very tiny SSD drive which cannot be replaced- the Polish computer guy said he could not replace it nor add RAM to it. I'm keeping it as it is right now as my scanner works on it which my Chromebook is no good for.

Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 23, 2018, 06:09:57 pm
No worries .. gimme a shout whenever you're ready.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 08:10:49 pm
No worries .. gimme a shout whenever you're ready.

I got the laptop today Mark. My mother brought it into town when we met for coffee. It is not a laptop though- it's an Asus "notebook"- so a netbook. That's fine with me though as looking at an article online it says it has 4GB RAM, and it has a webcam. I had a look and it's a decent webcam. I am just charging it up. My bro put Ubuntu on it. It also has Firefox, but I want to have Google  Chrome as my main browser so I can access all my log ins and files that I've got on my Chromebook. I prob won't use Firefox much, only when it's useful to be using 2 browsers at once. Does having more than one browser downloaded take up much HD space?

This is the notebook:

https://www.pocket-lint.com/laptops/reviews/asus/129873-asus-x102b-review (https://www.pocket-lint.com/laptops/reviews/asus/129873-asus-x102b-review)

I dunno know what version of Ubuntu my bro put on it but it looks smart and not an old version. If you can kindly tell me how to find out the distro version and my system specs I'll post them here.

Oh I hope Tux Racer is on there - I love that game!

I will take a better look later when the battery is fully charged so I can have it on my knee whilst on my Chromebook. I think it might be a good enough machine as it connected instantly to my wi fi and seems to have most of the software and enough RAM.

Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 08:22:27 pm
My Mum had told me the "laptop" was quite new and my brother had been given it as a gift by one of his doctor friends so it was fairly new ( about 2 years old) but she said it was smaller than my Chromebook and her own laptop. I said it sounded like a netbook, but I didn't think they were still being made, but seems I was wrong there!

I don't need a big screen to use it for tutoring online ( via webcam). I can use my Chromebook for most things.

Mark I also need help with the log in my bro set up. It has my user name on booting up and whilst I can go to Firefox and the applications it keeps going back to the password box, which when I type in the p/w my mother gave me it says it is wrong. Is there a way to reset it to another one?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 09:28:40 pm
Open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
cat /etc/lsb-release
that should tell you the Ubuntu version.

It'd also be good to know if it's the 32 or 64bit version of Ubuntu, so what's the output from:
Code: [Select]
uname -a
I'll then tell you how to install Chrome/Chromium



Mark I also need help with the log in my bro set up. It has my user name on booting up and whilst I can go to Firefox and the applications it keeps going back to the password box, which when I type in the p/w my mother gave me it says it is wrong. Is there a way to reset it to another one?

Yes, but it'll take a little work on your behalf .. I'll post instructions once you have answered the above questions.

[EDIT]

Almost forgot, also post the output from:
Code: [Select]
blkid
and
Code: [Select]
cat /etc/fstab
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 09:53:11 pm
Mark I've done that but tried to log into this site on the notebook but it says my password is wrong and as I'm always logged in here trying to find out what it is. Tried to save the terminal results onto my data stick but it said I had no user rights to do that. I will try and see if my last pass thingy can tell me the password for this forum so I can log into it from the notebook.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 09:57:49 pm
Worst case scenario .. use the forums reset password function, it'll email you a password reset.

I can't help you here because we never know your passwords .. they are hashed.

Maybe your browser enters the password for you ? .. if so you should be able to get your browser to tell you what it is .. but unless I know which browser I can't give you instructions.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 10:02:42 pm
If you're using Chrome/Chromium, in the browser go to
chrome://settings/passwords

look for this forum in the list of saved passwords (linuxforums.org.uk) .. then click the little "eye" symbol to reveal the password.

DO NOT post what it is here ;)
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:05:02 pm
Found it on last pass, so on the notebook right now. Thanks. Here is the results from the terminal:

To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
See "man sudo_root" for details.

[email protected]:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=18.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=bionic
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.04 LTS"
[email protected]:~$ uname -a
Linux k-X102BA 4.15.0-36-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 24 16:19:09 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[email protected]:~$ blkid
[email protected]:~$ cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda2 during installation
UUID=1827e01d-692c-4376-9166-bd72d5bd5b63 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=6563-5C0F  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
/swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
[email protected]:~$

Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:09:18 pm
Ok I think I figured something else out about the notebook: it did accept the password now, but what it does if after I haven't been doing something on it for a few mins, it goes back to the log in box which is a nuisance. I just wanna log in when I start it up and then stay logged in. Also its battery seems to have died as I have had it plugged in for well over an hour and when I took it off the power supply on the drawer in corner and moved it to my sofa with the Chromebook it went off. It is also slow to boot up when been off.

P.S the battery light is still red.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 10:16:15 pm
It may have gone to sleep rather than OFF .. this will usually be set low (about 2 mins) in the power manager by default on battery power.

But if it turns out the battery is dying, there's nothing I can do to help short of telling you to get a new one.

The "going back to the login screen" is probably a setting too .. but I'd need to look up where screenlocking is set in Ubuntu .. I'm more of a Peppermint aficionado ;)



When you say "slow to boot when it's been off" .. do you mean after it's shut itself down, or from a cold boot ?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:23:59 pm
Found the hard disk info:

500 GB

537 MB

529 MB free

32 bit.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:28:22 pm
It may have gone to sleep rather than OFF .. this will usually be set low (about 2 mins) in the power manager by default on battery power.

But if it turns out the battery is dying, there's nothing I can do to help short of telling you to get a new one.

The "going back to the login screen" is probably a setting too .. but I'd need to look up where screenlocking is set in Ubuntu .. I'm more of a Peppermint aficionado ;)



When you say "slow to boot when it's been off" .. do you mean after it's shut itself down, or from a cold boot ?

It sure likes to snooze Mark lol. I wondered if it had been set to that too as its screen goes blank when it does it then it asks me to log in. Yes, I meant a cold boot is when it is slow to boot up. The Chromebook boots far faster! I know what you mean- I'm more used to Peppermint myself as I had that on that old HD laptop when you helped me load it on. I had Ubuntu on my old Dell netbook when I got that back in 2011 and then a guy from my LUG group put Mint on it, so not used Ubuntu since then.

Once you have had a good look at the system specs you might be able to tell me if you think the notebook would be faster and more efficient on Peppermint. I don't mind Ubuntu but Peppermint seems a bit more logical the way it is set out on the desktop if you know what I mean.

I haven't quite figured out where the battery icon is to tell me how much it is powered up either.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 10:33:31 pm
The Chromebook WILL boot far faster ..

a) its OS is optimised for the hardware
and
b) It'll have an SSD .. I told you they make a massive difference ;)

Anyway, if you no longer need password assistance, what else can I help with ?

Oh, by the way you're running Ubuntu 18.04 64bit .. so to install chrome, go here:
https://www.google.com/chrome/ (https://www.google.com/chrome/)
download the 64bit .deb version .. then double-click the file you just downloaded to install it

[EDIT]

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Once you have had a good look at the system specs you might be able to tell me if you think the notebook would be faster and more efficient on Peppermint.

A little yes, but not as much as you'd hope .. it won't boot much faster, but the OS itself will use less system resources so will likely 'feel' quicker at opening apps, etc.

As for faster boot .. only an SSD is likely to make a real difference .. hence why I was pushing you to get one ;)
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 10:42:15 pm
is this it
https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/asus-x102ba-1178512/review (https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/asus-x102ba-1178512/review)
?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:45:38 pm
Quote
The Chromebook WILL boot far faster ..

a) its OS is optimised for the hardware
and
b) It'll have an SSD .. I told you they make a massive difference ;)


Yes it's got an SSD- I thought that must be it! Mark one day in the future when I do have the funds I'll get one of those Dells you told me about and have an SSD put on it.

Quote
Anyway, if you no longer need password assistance, what else can I help with ?

I think I do in that I found the power settings and set the following:

dimscreen when inactive- off
blank screen- never

but this one I dunno what to set it to:

automatic suspend when on battery power
when the power button is pressed: do I choose power off or nothing?

I still don't know if that will stop it going back to the log in box?


Quote
Oh, by the way you're running Ubuntu 18.04 64bit .. so to install chrome, go here:
https://www.google.com/chrome/ (https://www.google.com/chrome/)
download the 64bit .deb version .. then double-click the file you just downloaded to install it

Thanks I'll do that- it'll be much easier and familiar for me to be using Chrome. I got so used to it now.

Oh and on the power setting it had a bar for battery charging and it was on 0.


Quote
Once you have had a good look at the system specs you might be able to tell me if you think the notebook would be faster and more efficient on Peppermint.

Quote
A little yes, but not as much as you'd hope .. it won't boot much faster, but the OS itself will use less system resources so will likely 'feel' quicker at opening apps, etc.

As for faster boot .. only an SSD is likely to make a real difference .. hence why I was pushing you to get one ;)

Oh well if Peppermint won't make much difference I'll keep it on Ubuntu for the time being since my bro went to the trouble of getting rid of Windows 8 on it and putting Ubuntu on it.  I'll see how  fast it runs for a week or two and if it isn't cutting it I will ask for your help with loading Peppermint onto it if that is ok. I  don't plan to save much files on it as I save things on my google drive mostly and also have a portable Maxter HD. Can this machine take an SSD drive? If it can then I wouldn't really need a Dell laptop as I am really only using this for my tutoring for the web cam, the scanner and a printer when I get one- it will be mostly my "work"  netbook as the screen is too small for me to comfortably read a lot of articles and do typing etc on it. Altho Libre Office is way better than google docs!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:48:20 pm
is this it
https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/asus-x102ba-1178512/review (https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/asus-x102ba-1178512/review)
?

No that isn't it, this is it:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/X102B-10-1-inch-Touchscreen-Laptop-Black/dp/B00FC55SVO (https://www.amazon.co.uk/X102B-10-1-inch-Touchscreen-Laptop-Black/dp/B00FC55SVO)

It says its a touch screen, but no idea what that means lol. It's supposed to have 4GB RAM- how can I find that out?

Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 10:58:19 pm
Mark, I am still around but gonna have a shower and get under the duvet in bed with my elec blanket as I'm too much of a Scrooge to put the central heating on as I don't like paying big gas bills! I'll be back in about 25 mins. It's cold in my lounge!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 27, 2018, 11:15:27 pm
Yes it has a standard SATA hard drive, so can take an SATA SSD .. dunno how easy it'd be to fit though, those little things tend to need to be completely stripped down to get at the hard drive.

I'll post tomorrow how to disable the screenlock as i'm gonna need to do a bit of homework on Ubuntu .. and I'm off to bed myself now.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 27, 2018, 11:39:47 pm
Yes it has a standard SATA hard drive, so can take an SATA SSD .. dunno how easy it'd be to fit though, those little things tend to need to be completely stripped down to get at the hard drive.

I'll post tomorrow how to disable the screenlock as i'm gonna need to do a bit of homework on Ubuntu .. and I'm off to bed myself now.

Oh the Polish guy in the computer shop in town knows how to take netbooks/notebooks/laptops apart and put in new parts. I would have to show him the notebook and see what he thinks. Ok well I will load on Chrome and also leave you some more q's of things I want to have done if I can't do them myself. Thanks Mark.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 28, 2018, 12:47:52 am
Hey Mark I know you have gone to bed, so this is for when you log on here tomorrow. I downloaded Chrome but it didn't want to launch then I found that Ubuntu doesn't have the package manager like Peppermint but Ubuntu software and Chrome was there so downloaded it and I have got it up and running with all my files, log ins, Atavi bookmark manager etc synched. That was easy. Linux still has Extreme Tux Racer! Just added that. I love that game lol. I'm liking Ubuntu! I am getting the hang of it. I love Linux distros- they are all little different to each other but they are not hard to figure out.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 28, 2018, 12:47:52 pm
Is the Chrome .deb in your Downloads folder ?

if so, what is its full name ?

And can you post the output from:
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep light-locker
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 28, 2018, 01:50:14 pm
Is the Chrome .deb in your Downloads folder ?

if so, what is its full name ?

And can you post the output from:
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep light-locker

Yes the Chrome for Linux was in the Ubuntu software folder. It's fab Mark!  It downloads the software so quickly. I found all the packages I wanted there- Skype, Tux Racer, Audacious, VLC, Audacity etc and some video making ones too. I will have a q about making videos at some point soon when I've tried those out- I will see if I can make the vids I have in mind on those.

I also figured out the start up- when I press the power button it goes to a screen that has a drawing of some sort of animal on it and arrows move up and down. Well what you have to do is press escape and then the log in box slides up and once the p/w is entered I am logged in and it goes to my desktop. So it is faster to log in than I thought.

I still was not able to find how much RAM is on there or much info about the battery. It does look to me that the battery has died as the light is always red and if I remove the power supply to the mains it shuts down.

I was also unable to remove the Google Chrome download you gave me for the terminal, so I will switch the notebook on and give you those terminal commands you asked for a bit later.
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on October 28, 2018, 02:02:52 pm
Okay I'm confused .. I thought you said you weren't able to install Chrome on it yet ?
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 28, 2018, 05:19:13 pm
Okay I'm confused .. I thought you said you weren't able to install Chrome on it yet ?

I said that I downloaded the link you gave me but it would not load. The Google icon is on my desktop. But that the Ubuntu software folder had Chrome for Linux in it which I downloaded and it works. I just need to remove the Google icon.
BUT!! I just tried to boot up the notebook and it goes to a black screen with writing on it. Too much of it to type up but it says things like:

couldn't get size 0x00000000000000

Kernel panic- not synching UFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown -block (0,0)

I am just about to have my dinner, so will be back later Mark. I hope it hasn't had a big nasty crash and died!
Title: Re: 4GB RAM laptop wanted
Post by: Melissa on October 28, 2018, 06:09:44 pm
I've had my dinner so will keep checking when you are back here Mark.
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