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Title: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 02, 2010, 03:57:03 pm
Please can someone help me? I have read so many posts/blogs and followed unpteen links and instructions  :o but I still cannot get my 3 network 3g dongle to work on my Acer aspire one A110-ab running linux linpus lite.
here are a couple of links I followed
http://netbook-experience.com/2009/09/how-to-install-a-3g-dongle-with-mobile-broadband-on-the-linux-acer-aspire-one/ (http://netbook-experience.com/2009/09/how-to-install-a-3g-dongle-with-mobile-broadband-on-the-linux-acer-aspire-one/)
http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook (http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook)
I am very confused as one of the other posts I read said not to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 as it has losts of problems, so as you maybe able to tell I realy am lost with Linux :'(
Perhaps I should just leave it to the experts and go back to windows  :-\
Anyone want a netbook  :-[
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 02, 2010, 05:12:17 pm
how far did you get when you followed the instructions at:
http://netbook-experience.com/2009/09/how-to-install-a-3g-dongle-with-mobile-broadband-on-the-linux-acer-aspire-one/ (http://netbook-experience.com/2009/09/how-to-install-a-3g-dongle-with-mobile-broadband-on-the-linux-acer-aspire-one/)

Follow those instructions, and when you get to something you don't understand or a problem, post back, but try to be specific and provide as much detail as possible.

But if you are thinking of installing Ubuntu instead of Linpus Lite, use Ubuntu 9.10 (karmic) not 10.04 (lucid)
or Linux Mint 8 (not mint 9 as this is based on Ubuntu 10.04, mint 8 is based on Ubuntu 9.10)
IMO Mint 8 tends to be a bit easier for ex-windows users to get along with than Ubuntu.

If you do replace Linpus Lite with Ubuntu or Mint, you can follow the instructions (starting at step 11) here:
http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution (http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution)
these instructions are NOT for Linpus Lite.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 03, 2010, 12:31:58 am
I did all of it but I cannot seem to get the blue 3g connmgr symbol to appear, but I went ahead with the live update and I now have the mobile partner installed but when I put in the dongle I cannot get to disc1 it just shows "Removable:///3connect

I will have ago at putting the linux mint 8 you recomended on a pen drive, then I can install it if I need to.

This is more than likely a silly question but I wondered if as there is no 3g connmgr on my netbook whether it is able to support a 3g dongle and if putting on a diff linux on will make any difference.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 03, 2010, 02:56:19 am
What is the model of your dongle... I've never had a problem with them in Mint/Ubuntu... they "just work"... as you say first try Mint on a LiveUSB stick, make it persistent so you can save your network settings, and if it works... you can then decide if you want to install it permanently on your Hard Drive.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 03, 2010, 11:05:35 am
Hi the 3 network dongle has ZTE on the front and the box has ZTE MF112 Dongle on it I also have Huawei K3565 that I was given and told it was 'Unlocked' but I could not get it to work on my laptop so gave up.

I am afraid you have a real novice hear so first question ...how do I make a liveUSB stick 'Persistent' ? and would it be best to try it on my descktop, laptop or the netbook??

I have been to www.pendrivelinux.com (http://www.pendrivelinux.com) and the LiveUsbPendrivePersistent page on Ubuntu but I did not understand much of it...I have created a Usb Pendrive but it's anyone's guess if its 'Persistent' (I created it on using my desktop running XP)

Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 03, 2010, 05:34:33 pm
When you ran the Linux Live USB Creator, at some stage (if you had a 2gig or larger pendrive) it should have offered you the option to make it persistent, and given you some options as to the size of the persistent partition such as 1gb, 2gb, 4gb.

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/linux-live-usb-creator/ (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/linux-live-usb-creator/)

If you didn't add a persistence partition, you will not be able to save any changes you make to any configurations... the changes will be lost when you reboot back to the pendrive... effectively the USB stick will behave like a non-writable CDROM

you need to test it on the Netbook... don't worry booting from it will make no changes to your netbook, and you will be able to "test drive" Linux to see if you can configure the 3g dongle to work.

No harm in running it on any of your PC's though... it makes no changes to the hard drive of ANY system it is booted on.

be aware that runnng Linux from a USB stick is a lot slower than running it from a hard drive installation, so don't let how slow it is be your deciding factor.

Once you've booted the netbook from the USB, and are at the desktop (Don't click the "Install" icon yet) just try to configure your dongle by following these instructions, starting at Step 11:
http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution (http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution)
if you are using Mint instead of Ubuntu, where in step 12 it says "(top right)" read (bottom right)

Can I add though that if you are unable to get the dongle to work on a Windows PC, it's probably either broken, still locked to an account, or you are in a weak signal area... that said, it won't hurt to try :)
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 03, 2010, 06:10:36 pm
I used the installer that the download site www.linuxmint.com (http://www.linuxmint.com) suggested from - www.pendrivelinux.com (http://www.pendrivelinux.com) - Univeral-USB-Installer-v1.6.6.exe - but it did not ask me to choose the size of the partition or anything and as far as I know the pendrive is 4gb (but I could be wrong)

I am going out now (to escape the football) so will try to carry out your instructions later, and I will not worry if I cannot save anything as I think I need the practice to do it all again if it works.

I have a pen drive supplied to me by my netbook supplier so I can re-install the limpus lite if I make a real pigs ear of it.

Thanks for hanging on in there with me, your patience is much appreciated
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 03, 2010, 07:17:41 pm
Pendrivelinux suggest Univeral-USB-Installer-v1.6.9.exe, which "should" offer you persistence...
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-linux-mint-8-to-a-flash-drive-in-windows/ (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-linux-mint-8-to-a-flash-drive-in-windows/)

up to you though...
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 04, 2010, 11:35:03 am
I have created the pendrive with persistent partition and Mint8 - It's booted from USB and I have clicked the link provided http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution (http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution) - Starting at step 11, I inserted the Dongle.....

Then what the instructions said would happen didn't ... no "New 3G Broadband" window was to be seen, but all is not lost I thought, because right there under the 'Install Linux Mint 8' icon was a '3Connect' so I clicked on it and....nothing it opens a file browser...clicking on the files just opened more files  :o

Back to instructions but that did not help because I had not filled in the options on the first window that did not appear......

I am beginning to feel like a Hamster/Rabbit cross stuck on a wheel that is generating the power for the oncoming Headlights!!!

So still just about being of sound mind I have decided I will persevere with the Mint 8 (as the netbook would need a RAM upgrade to run windows), but as to 3g dongles, I will consign them to the 'I'm on the wrong side of the hill to waste time on this' bin

All is not lost though BT have just dropped data limits for 'Openzone' and 'Fon' and I don't have to do anything they are already there in the wireless networks bit

Thank you for all your help...and patience...I'm off to the seawall to see if Openzone works there...now how do I download a browser?????;D
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 04, 2010, 02:32:07 pm
The Firefox (web browser) should already be installed

Don't give up on the 3g dongle yet, you're nearly there...
Take a look down by your clock (bottom right)... you will see 3 icons a speaker, a padlock, and your network manager...
right-click the Network manager icon
select Edit Connections
click the Mobile broadband tab
click Add
select the device in the drop down menu, or leave it as "Any Device"
click Forward
Select Britain (UK)
click Forward
select 3
click Forward
select Internet as the plan, and 3internet as the APN
click Forward
click Apply.

(if at any time you're prompted for a "keyring password", leave it blank... even if it complains)

Now carry on from step 11
http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution (http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution)
step 19 says to "right-click" the Network manager icon... I think it should just read "click" the Network manager icon.
also, on the first picture it shows the Password field as blank... you need to enter three as the Password (as well as the Username).

To download and install software in Mint... (here we'll take a look at the Opera web browser)
Click Menu-->Package Manager,  enter your root password... when the Synaptic package manager starts, enter what your after (such as opera, or browser) into the Quick search box... in the right-hand window you will find a list of alternatives...find opera, and click the little box next to it... select Mark for installation... select Apply (on the toolbar).
the software will be downloaded and installed for you.

Hint: if you click on the word opera (not the box) the bottom panel will display a description of what the software is.

Can you also make sure you have usb-modeswitch installed... in the synaptic package manager, enter usb-modeswitch into the quick search box, and check to see if the little box is green... if not, install it... you may need it for the 3g dongle to work.

For a hint as to why the "3Connect" icon on your desktop opens a file browser, read the description of usb-modeswitch in synaptic :)

BE AWARE: you are going to have to have some kind of internet connection to be able to install usb-modeswitch (if needed), so if necessary connect your netbook to a router with an ethernet cable... or go back to the seawall :)
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 04, 2010, 05:11:08 pm
It's really nice here on the seawall  8)

I have followed your new instructions but 3 does not show - I tried the dongle on my laptop in the living room and the 3g worked, but here in the study (there's posh for you...it's an old caravan in the garden but that don't sound so good) no 3g just the green light. and to cap it all the allowance is nearly used up and I don't want to waste money on a topup.

I am even more confused because the laptop connected me to the internet via the dongle and the light is green! and it's in the 'Study'

I may re-install and start again... I must have done something incorrectly...if I knew more I would not have slavishly followed those instructions so perhaps that's what I've done....hell I chasing my own tail here...Must take break - have Beer - talk to the animals - anything but This!!!!  :-\ :'( :o ;D

Just one more little thing...why is my padlock icon in the bottom r/h corner broken.....(only joking)




Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 04, 2010, 08:09:02 pm
is usb-modeswitch installed?
have you got any way to get the netbook connected to the internet?
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 04, 2010, 10:14:07 pm
Yes I have got an internet connection through my BT hub...so have been online using Firefox

I get the distinct impression you are not going to let me give up are you?

So alright I have installed the usb-modeswitch v1.0.2-1

I will now try the dongle again...there were too many mozzies on the seawall anyway!!
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 04, 2010, 11:03:22 pm
Three is now showing in the 'Mobile Broadband' tab in network connections....but when I click on list it does not show

Ooop's the little screen just went black and now I cannot turn it off..........right just took the battery out that stopped it

I don't think the poor little thing deserves this kind of treatment......OK it seems the battery only lasts about 2hrs....I thought it was longer but thats a 6cell and they come with 3cell....sometimes I don't like manufactures much, but I suppose they get lots of extra money as 2hrs ain't no good to man nor beast....sorry got a rant on there and slid of the subject

I have shoved the dongle into my desktop and it loaded drivers automatically and up came the 3 connect wizard...so the dongle works...but I was beginning to think it is that and not linux as I have done what was asked several times over as I have now started from scratch 4 times but still no Three

I cannot find anything on this dongle ZTE MF112...I'm clutching at straws now am I not...time to take a break
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 04, 2010, 11:41:08 pm
Whenever you're ready...

With the dongle plugged in, can you open a terminal (Menu->Terminal), and enter this command:
Code: [Select]
lsusb
hit enter, and post back the results.

IMPORTANT:
Did you put a tick in the "Available to all users" box?
see pictures on right -
http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution (http://old.linux.co.uk//docs/center/how-to/recommended-3g-netbook-solution)

you might want to tick the "Connect automatically" box too (then it should just connect every time you plug the dongle in)

Also if at any time during setting up the connection it asks for a "Keyring" password... leave it blank.

You can get rid of any settings you've saved, and start afresh, by "Deleting" anything listed on the network managers "Mobile Broadband" tab... then clicking "Add" to enter new settings... or click "Edit" and change what you've already entered.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 10:42:20 am
In reply too your enquiry about "keyring" passwaords....well of course I put one in  ??? ....and now I cannot find out how to remove/change it  :'(

I will be back after I have clean installed and got as far as your last post...without all my mistakes and in the right order....he he...sorry just made me think of Eric Morecombe and Andre Previn, but I expect your too young too know who I'm on about.

Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 11:30:49 am
I remember it well... Eric Morcombe and "Andrew Preview"... I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order.
Unfortunately I'm not as young as you think :)

If you delete all entries under the "Mobile Broadband" tab, this will clear ALL setting for the dongle (including keyring password) and then you can enter them again.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 11:53:30 am
When this B***D* dongle connects I will lend you my zimmer frame and race you to the PUB  ;D

Right I have opened a terminal...am I supposed to see a joke and a (I think it is) cow???

Now I am not sure about this so be patient...do I type in "Code:[select]1susb" (without quotes)...i know this is old hat for you but my computing started after the Dos time and it was what kept me from Linux in the first place as I do not have a clue when it comes to Dos  :-[
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 12:14:56 pm
No...just the stuff between the grey lines, and that isn't a 1 it's a small L... so it's LSUSB but in lower case, it MUST be in lower case as Linux commands are case sensitive.

[EDIT]
you won't find DOS here... BASH, ZSH etc. but not DOS :)
Nearly all of this stuff CAN be done in the GUI, but it's easier for someone at the forum to give you CLI commands... takes less typing, and I'm lazy be nature :)

Really it's because there is less room for misinterpretation.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 12:25:41 pm
Right a bit of a delay as this silly touch pad is really annoying...so have found mini mouse (no not Mickey's friend, a mini mouse)

So I have a list ... so what is it I am looking for??
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 12:29:35 pm
I just wanted you to post the list, so I can check the dongle has been switched from ZeroCD mode to 3g dongle mode.
I was going to google the device ID's
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 12:50:57 pm
I was afraid this would happen  :'( ...I have'nt a clue how... as I am using my desktop to post here ... I have not tried to logon with the netbook yet

Oh well here goes...
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 12:54:54 pm
If there is a line with Huawei in it... and just send me that line

you can ignore any lines that end in root hub if that helps :)
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 01:05:49 pm
how do you copy/paste from the terminal ... I am now using the netbook...so I thought I could just copy/paste
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 01:10:17 pm
same way as normal... use your mouse/touchpad to highlight want you want to copy, and right-click>copy.....
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 01:19:21 pm
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 093a:2500 Pixart Imaging, Inc. USB Optical Mouse
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 19d2:0103 ONDA Communication S.p.A.
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

just a thought the dongle is not a Huawei it is a zte mf112... i am still looking it up on google 
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 01:34:48 pm
OK have found that Huawei make the ZTE MF112...so disregard last line of previous post
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 01:39:11 pm
OK, I've found what the problem is... the device is VERY new so the device ID strings haven't been added to usb-modeswitch yet.
There are workarounds, but I'm going to have to do a bit of research first... if you want to check back this evening I'll have a solution for you.

this line -
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 19d2:0103 ONDA Communication S.p.A.
tells me the device hasn't been switched out of ZeroCD mode... if it had, it would have changed to -
Bus 001 Device 00x: ID 19d2:0031 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MFxxx

you could try typing this into a terminal:
Code: [Select]
eject
and then:
Code: [Select]
lsusb
again to see if it changes.

If not let me know, then check back this evening
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 01:48:33 pm
No change...will check back later, as I have two dogs standing here with their legs crossed  :D
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 01:50:03 pm
At least the device ID strings hadn't been added to usb-modeswitch as of late May 2010... but things move pretty fast in the Linux world, so if you run an update of Mint it might "just work".

to update Mint... click the padlock icon by your clock, enter your root password, and when the updater loads... click Edit>Preferences... in the "Levels" tab, put a tick in the "Visible?" box for Level 5, and click "Apply"
Now, back in the Update Manager... click "Select All", and then "Install Updates".

The reason I said to enable level 5 updates... to update the kernel, as there is a known switching issue for ZTE dongles in kernels 2.6.26 -> 2.6.28

This will update you to kernel 2.6.31

If you want to know which kernel version you currently have installed... open a terminal and type:
Code: [Select]
uname -r
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: Mark Greaves (PCNetSpec) on July 05, 2010, 03:14:28 pm
Once you have installed the updates (see my previous posting (http://linuxforums.org.uk/netbooks/3g-dongle-and-linux-os-netbook/msg12852/#msg12852)) and rebooted to kernel 2.6.31, hopefully it will "just work", but if it doesn't try this -

Right-Click the 3Connect icon on your desktop, and select "Eject"... now see if you can see the dongle in network manager.
(you could try this before the updates... you never know your luck :) )

People are reporting that the ZTE dongles are working in Mint 9 and Ubuntu 10.04 "out-of-the-box", but I'm a bit wary of telling you to try one of those as there have been a number of other issues with those versions for some peoples hardware setups.
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 05:04:44 pm
OK lets start with the updates...level 5 states "Dangerous packages. Known to affect the stability of the systems depending on certain specs or hardware"

Levels 1, 2 and 3 are already checked.. 4 and 5 are not

it also said there are 251 recommended updates available ???

So tried your suggestion "sudo" It said sudo apt-get update : command not found
Title: Re: 3g dongle and linux os netbook
Post by: lostone on July 05, 2010, 05:18:38 pm
Right-Click the 3Connect icon on your desktop, and select "Eject"... now see if you can see the dongle in network manager.
(you could try this before the updates... you never know your luck :) )

It does show but it only while the dongle's in and it did not connect anyway

I am off to work for the next 4 nights so I think it would be a good time to call time - after all I can get onto the internet and BT have lots of hot spots or what ever so I we be fine without the dongle

I will most likely ask more silly questions in the future...so you will know who to avoid  ;) ::)
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