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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2012, 09:28:51 am »
There's no real benefit to PM3 over PM2 other than support for Ubuntu 11.04 (so therefore PM2) will end in October, so there will be no updates after that .. PM3 on the other hand is based on Ubuntu 12.04 (Long Term Support version) so will receive updates for everything except the Peppermint specific stuff for a full 5 years.
(I can feel a question coming after that last bit ;) )

The PM3 tutorial was slightly shorter because auto login is now offered during the installation rather thaan having to be applied afterwards, there may have been a couple of other things that were easier in PM3 too, I can't remember.

As to which "works better" there's little in it .. I think PM3 is slightly heavier on system resources (probably due to the switch to gtk3) but if it is, it's by such a small amount that it's not noticable .. indeed after removing bluetooth and the mint updater (which I replaced with the  Ubuntu one) PM3 was actually slightly lighter on RAM at bootup .. as I said, there's little in it, but nor is there any need to rush into a reinstall .. PM2 updates will stop in October, but it will be some time before it becomes outdated enough that things stop working, there are a LOT of people still using Peppermint One :)

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2012, 10:08:14 am »
Well, the LT support is a big deal. But there is there is a Mint updater- can't Ubuntu repositories just be added to that? Seems losing PM specific updates wouldn't be healthy.
If PM is so light, might put it on my dying laptop. What percent of resources does it use compared to Ubuntu 10.4? One thing you talked about was writing temp files to RAM-
 might that avoid these horrible write delays I have sometimes (also long waits till get "unresponsive script" error. And is that something you must specify on installation?

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2012, 11:47:21 pm »
OK, one part at a time ..

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But there is there is a Mint updater- can't Ubuntu repositories just be added to that?

Not sure what you mean by that .. The Mint Updater (mintupdate) is already the default updater in Peppermint Three, and the Ubuntu 12.04 repos are already in the sources.list .. personally I've swaped that for the Ubuntu updater, but there's no real need, they both just use the repos that are defined in the sources.list file.

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Seems losing PM specific updates wouldn't be healthy

Nor is it a major problem .. if you check what Peppermint gets from the Peppermint specific repo, it aint much, stuff like icons, goffice, gimp3, mintupdate (which I swap out anyway) and a few other things .. well they will no longer get updates .. but everything else (ie.99.9% of the OS) will get updates for the full 5 years, as it comes from the Ubuntu repos not the Peppermint one.

Think of the Peppermint specific repo as containg just a few "additions" to the Ubuntu repos .. those "additions" will stop getting updated after a year, but they should still continue to work .. meanwhile the other 99.9% of your OS and software wil continue to be updated for 5 years.

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If PM is so light, might put it on my dying laptop. What percent of resources does it use compared to Ubuntu 10.4?

Dunno exactly .. I can't remember what Ubuntu 10.04 used, but Peppermint 3 will be lighter for sure as most of the "weight" of a desktop distro comes from the desktop environment, and LXDE is lighter than the full Gnome, be that Gnome 2 or 3.

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One thing you talked about was writing temp files to RAM-
 might that avoid these horrible write delays I have sometimes (also long waits till get "unresponsive script" error. And is that something you must specify on installation?

This is a bit harder to get a handle on ..

If most of your write delays occur whilst you're browsing the web, then they *may* be being caused by writes to the web cache .. so mounting /tmp in a tmpfs ramdrive, then making your browser write its cache to /tmp probably would help

The downside is you'll have less RAM available for other tasks .. so if your amount of RAM is already bordering on needing to swap out to the swap partition, it will even more .. kind of nullifying any gains.

So a ramdrive isn't going to help unless you have plenty of RAM to spare .. I wouldn't bother messing with ramdrives with the AA1's default 512MB RAM.

Easiest solution would be to get a better SSD and/or more RAM

In answer to the last part .. you can set up the tmpfs and mount /tmp to it AFTER installation .. so I guess the answer is NO, it doesn't NEED to be set up during installation.
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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2012, 04:22:26 pm »
Many thanks Mark from a grateful AAO ZG5 user who needed an alternative to Ubuntu after maverick expired, one of the first things I did was get rid of linpus for ubuntu and it took months to get it totally right on jaunty with various bugs.  The prospects of upgrading to a unity desktop which I couldn't disable easily as I did with Meerkat meant my old NetBook was gathering dust until I saw this thread.

All setup and working fine in about an hour, thanks to you there's life in the old NetBook dog yet.

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2012, 04:34:13 pm »
You're more than welcome :)

I'm glad it helped, and it's nice to hear from people that found it useful .. so thanks for taking the time to let me know.

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2012, 04:47:49 pm »
One good turn deserves another I say!

It might have been rather quicker than many not only from my past experience seeing all the very familiar terminal commands with jaunty, koala and maverick but its got 1.5 gb ram and the super talent 32gb SSD upgrade.  I did have some problems with data corruption with the upgraded drive which meant I had to zero to fix (Bug 574462: udisks-probe-ata-smart causes HSM violations) but I did get an email a while back saying it was fixed in the kernel finally (after almost two years!)

If I get any more issues I know where to go first.

Cheers again and I'll send this link out to a couple of friends who are ZG5 owners.

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2012, 04:55:05 pm »
Yeh, I think it's time I upgraded the SSD (default one being very slow), RAM is already maxed.

A lot of people have said the super Talent SSD's are quicker and don't suffer the write delays that freeze the AA1 for a few seconds occasionally .. so I've been planning it for a while, though I was also toying with the idea of a 1.8" ZIF PATA (IDE) hard drive (as used in the early iPods etc.), but I prefer the SSD route for a netbook.

Yup you're more than welcome to bring issues/info here, the more the merrier, so pass that on :)

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I'd be interested to know if after using Peppermint for a while, you'd let us know if your Super Talent SSD/Peppermint Three suffers from the occasional freeze for a few seconds (where that SSD activity light is permanently on) .. any chance you can let us know ?

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Interesting bug report .. I think I'll have a look at hdparm and SMART probing and see if they're still relevant to the occasional short freeze (or if it's just the standard SSD as I suspected) .. cheers for that :)

Don't get me wrong, the freezes aren't show stoppers, it just seems that for a few seconds every now and again there s some serious I/O occurring on the SSD .. up till now I'd just considered it the fault of the default SSD being known to be slow .. but you've got me thinking ???
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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2012, 05:26:08 pm »
I don't have to wait to tell you those hangs you get with the original SSD are history with the super talent drive, I didn't experience it with any of the Ubuntu distros when I threw the stock drive out on Jaunty and I don't expect it to happen with this either.  It was dead simple to install as its designed specifically for the AAO so no fiddling around with ZIF's inside.  It made it so quick that win 7 32 bit was actually useable though in comparison Ubuntu ran like a quad core Xeon so it didn't stay on very long!

If I run into any problems ill be back..

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2012, 05:38:46 pm »
Cheers for that .. I'll  not bother looking at hdparm and SMART probing then, seems I was right all along it's just the default rubbish SSD that comes with the AA1 :)

If you thought Ubuntu was quick, Peppermint should be like greased lightning ;)
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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2012, 05:45:18 pm »
No need to look - that bug was purely an issue when I upgraded the SSD, but in the bug thread before they patched the kernel there were a few workarounds which seemed to stop it trashing the drive any more, though I'd get the occasional fsck at boot.

I wouldn't bother trying to attempt to try and alleviate the problems with the original SSD as its the hardware itself that's the problem.  The words Polish and turd spring to mind  ;)

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2012, 05:56:00 pm »
FYI peppermint 3 to fully load the desktop takes 28.3 seconds  8)

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2012, 06:01:25 pm »
Heh, point taken :) .. I certainly don't have any need for shiny turds.
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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2012, 09:23:36 pm »
FYI peppermint 3 to fully load the desktop takes 28.3 seconds  8)

Not wanting to rain on your parade, but my AA1 boots to a full desktop in 28.24 seconds. 8)
That is with the original 8 gb Samsung SSD formatted to ext2 and running ArchBang.

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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2012, 10:32:54 pm »
So 6 one hundredths of a second in it :) .. I'm sure if he removed the useless(on the AA1) blueman/bluez stuff, and the mint updater, Peppermint would boot quicker ;)
(also if he booted bare Openbox rather than LXDE, which is also possible)

That said, who cares .. they're both well suited and quick distros, but IMHO Peppermint is better suited for *most* users .. but that's just an opinion, and based on only a cursory look at Archbang, or #! for that matter.

I'm finding it amusing that you boasted about 6/100 sec .. did you really just do that ? :P
(I'm also wondering how you both timed it to that degree of accuracy ? .. and what constitutes a fully loaded desktop ?)

6/100 sec .. Wow .. I'm going to have to swap distros now  <--- Sarcasm, in case you missed it ;)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were joking/trolling .. right ? .. and that I was daft enough to respond ?
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Re: Tutorial - Installing PeppermintOS Three on an Acer Aspire One AOA110L ZG5
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2012, 11:01:59 pm »
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were joking/trolling .. right ? .. and that I was daft enough to respond ?

Far from it, the point was that this time (taken by a stopwatch which I use in swimming events) is using the old (SLOW) 8gb SSD.
By the way from pressing the power button to the login box is 22.32 sec and 5.92 sec to desktop. Just sayin...

 


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