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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 12:51:16 pm »
Hi, Mark

Thanks for the update and info. as always you provide lots of useful detail and talk a lot of good sense.   :)

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 02:45:52 pm »
Odd innit ? .. the missus says I talk complete b*ll*cks  :o
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 03:49:53 pm »
I can't speak for anyone else on here but I'm with Marks missus on this  ;D





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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 06:29:18 pm »
Hehehe .. I'd show her that, she'd find it amusing .. but I'd loose my refuge in the process :)
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2014, 11:36:30 pm »
And did they simultaneously stop updates on Pep4,  cause nothing works, even apt-get commands. That is evil, but I saw some release about only 1 yr support for Pep4, which was released in June 2013.

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 02:06:17 am »
We've done NOTHING to disable anything in Peppermint 4

apt-get commands should still work .. but only for installing software .. Peppermint 4 hasn't been recieving updates for 3 months now .. Ubuntu turned off support for 13.04 3 months ago.

but there;s no reason Pepeprmint 4 should have broken today .. pure coincidence.
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 08:49:04 am »
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but are Peppermint going to follow what Mint have done, and only release on Ubuntu LTS releases? I ask, because a release is a lot of work & testing, and only for 9 months support (probably 2 of which will be lost during the testing cycle). It remains to be seen how Mint are going to handle the long-term support - I'm hoping with some aggressive backporting to keep application versions fresh, but that brings a whole other problem with toolkits etc. needing upgrade too.

I know there are a lot of things underfoot with Peppermint in general (DE, for one, FM another), so maybe it isn't even decided yet?
Also, is there a torrent up for the PM5 ISOs yet?

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 09:02:41 am »
Not decided yet, but we'll be watching what Mint do for sure .. luckily Peppermint have a year to decide, so get to see how it goes for Mint 18 ;)
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 09:59:57 am »
Not decided yet, but we'll be watching what Mint do for sure .. luckily Peppermint have a year to decide, so get to see how it goes for Mint 18 ;)

Nope, Mint 18 isn't due out for two years (Ubuntu 16.04)

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 11:45:00 am »
I thought they were still doing a new release evry 6 months .. just sticking with the previous LTS as itss code base ?

So if 17 is the current release, Mint 21 would be the first to use the 16.04 code base .. 17, 18, 19, and 20 would all use the 14.o4 code base, giving us time to see how it goes for Mint 18 (still using the 14.04 code base rather than 14.10).

*Personally* I'd be happy to stick with the 14.04 code base for Peppermint 6 .. and just use it as a features testbed for Peppermint 7 but Ubuntu may add new tech in the meantime that's going to be of use to us in Peppermint 7 .. so it may turn out that testing is better done on the most recent code base.

Luckily we don't have to make that decision yet .. and it's not my decision to make ;)
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 11:57:20 am »
Hmm, I understood it that you'll get a Mint ISO respin in line with the Ubuntu ones (i.e. 14.04.1). I guess whether they call it Mint 18, Mint 17.1, or stick with Mint 17, is moot :P

I don't know much about Ubuntu backports, I know Debian Stable are awful, as they value stability over newer versions. Kinda hoping that Ubuntu are better than that, don't wanna still be on Firefox 30 in 5 years time!!

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 09:19:58 am »
Peppermint 4 only had one year support? Jeeze I thought you said it was going to have continued Ubuntu support if Peppermint stopped. I installed it 2 weeks ago and it did alot of updates. But now it can't even update the repositories. Somehow, though, I still did a batch of updates for 8.04, so LTS get support forever?

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 09:47:46 am »
Not forever, LTS support is 5 years, so I'm surprised 8.04 received anything?!

Anyway, Peppermint 4 was based on Ubuntu 13.04, which support ended in April 2014. Peppermint 5 support I think is 5 years, but if it's based on Lubuntu 14.04, then it may only be 3 years. Still, 3 years isn't too shabby

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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 11:08:47 am »
Show me where I said Peppermint Four was an LTS, or where I said Ubuntu would support it when Peppermint stopped ??
(you're thinking of Peppermint Three which was based on an LTS, as is Peppermint 5)

Just because you "thought" I said something doesn't mean I did  >:(

I've gone out of my way to explain where Peppermint 3, 4, and 5 stand as far as updates, but can't be held responsible for your misunderstanding.

I assume you're going to apologise when you can't find me having said that ?
(as I most certainly would if you could)
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Re: Peppermint 5
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 03:05:50 am »
Yes, maybe it was Pep 3,sorry, but still 1 year and then nothing is pretty shabby. I put in Pep4 thinking it would have longer support- had no clue which was LTS. Don't know if I can do Pep 5- these old beasts are very touchy about what they boot up from. I'm pretty surprised this antique Toshiba did this- in that vein, is it possible a firmware update for a new 2009 Sony DVD burner I installed on my ACER would make it far more accepting of boot discs? At this point, it won't even do Pep3, only booting from original Ubuntu 8.04 and a few others.

 


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