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Odd happening
« on: June 26, 2014, 11:43:24 am »
Hi Guys,
I run Peppermint 4 64 bit on an old Dell Inspiron 1640 that used to run XP and also Ubuntu 12.04 on a self build desk top. Successfully downloaded, burned and loaded the live Peppermint 5 to the laptop, decided to try Ubuntu 14.04 on the desktop, it loads and allows be to boot into the Try Ubuntu, then locks up, freezes and eventually crashes. Used the same DVD with Ubuntu 14.04 on the Peppermint laptop and this boots up fine into the live session, any suggestions anyone?
This is not critical as I can either continue with 12.04 on the desktop or maybe even run Peppermint 5 on the desktop as well.

Thanks in advance,
Degsy.

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 12:14:21 pm »
What is the spec on the self build machine? What motherboard & CPU?

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 12:36:23 pm »
Hi Chemicalfan,
The self build has a Sempron 140 2.7GHZ processor and the Motherboard is an Asus AM3 AMD GF 7025 DDR3 mATX, it has a Samsung 160Gb HD and 2Gb Ram, hope this is helpful.
Just as an extra, I tried the Peppermint 5 Live CD in the Desk Top and this is where I am replying from now, so the Pep 5 works a treat on the self build.

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 01:34:50 pm »
Very odd!
At the point it locks up, do you get a response from Ctrl-Alt-F1?

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 01:53:45 pm »
Hi Degsy

it sounds to me the problem might just be that there's something about the 14.04 .iso your DVD drive on the self build doesn't like, DVD drives can be fickle things

Have you tried burning another DVD (preferably with a different make of disc) or trying it with a live USB instead ?


Good luck



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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 04:18:27 pm »
Just tried again and this time the screen just went blank after clicking the "Try Ubuntu" tab, tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 but no response at all, in fact to shut down had to turn off power, which obviously is not good.
Graeme, had a look and at the moment I only have the one brand of DVD, however, will buy a different brand and give that a try. The self build does not give the option to boot from USB in the menu.

Many thanks for your replies so far Gents,

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 05:30:10 pm »
Quick update, tried your suggestion Graeme, using different and supposedly better quality DVD disc but same result, allowed me to get to the "Try Ubuntu" screen, then after clicking the tab the screen went black and all I got was the cursur from the mouse, but no effect for anything else.
I wonder if I try burning the disc on the laptop rather than the self build?

Thanks again for your help so far,

Degsy.

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 06:06:45 pm »
You could try using Peppermint to 'dd' the Ubuntu ISO image to a USB stick.

With a bit of luck, the BIOS will then think it's a hard drive and list it as available to boot.
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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 06:13:24 pm »
Sorry Mark, but could you explain that a little more for me, what exactly do I do to achieve what you suggest? Have USB sticks available to give it a go.

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 08:01:44 pm »
I will try to clarify it for you.
The dd utility copies the specified input file to the specified output with possible conversions.
DD a very powerful tool. So would recommend extra care when using dd because it could cost you valuable data if you get it wrong.
The general syntax is:
dd if= source-file of=destination-file  bs= blocksize
In your case it would go like this:
cd <directory containing iso>
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dd bs=4M if=peppermint.iso of=/dev/sdg
/dev/sdg would be the destination USB device, change to suit your setup (make sure it is absolutely correct before commit)

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 10:17:40 pm »
Thanks Sezo, but with the greatest respect that may well have been written in a foreign language, sorry but I am just not that savvy as to understand what you mean at all, I get that the method needs to be used with great care but the actual procedure would have to be spelled out to me in words of one syllable or similar.


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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 10:34:33 pm »
Ok I'll try to help till SeZo gets back

first you will have to know the drive name of the USB drive you want to install Peppermint on ie sdg, sdf etc you can find out by plugging in the drive and go to Menu-Accessories-Disks when you see your usb drive highlight it see screenshot, in my case the 16gb Kingston is /dev/sdf

then post back with the usb drive name and the location and filename of the .iso you want to copy



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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 10:41:16 pm »
run:
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sudo updatedb
then with the USB stick inserted, post the output from:
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sudo fdisk -l
and
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locate Peppermint-5-20140623
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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 08:49:12 am »
I'm guessing the self-build machine is too old to boot from USB (USB sticks came before the BIOS could use them to boot from)

If it's that old, I'm thinking this is a PAE issue or something similar. My guess is that Ubuntu 14.04's kernel isn't happy on such an old CPU, and Peppermint's is compiled in a more "old hardware friendly" way? If this is true, you're kinda out of luck OP :(

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Re: Odd happening
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 09:31:52 am »
I thought the Semperon 140 was 64bit ?

Have you tried booting a Peppermint 4 or 5 LiveCD/LiveUSB ? .. did it work ?

Have you tried the 64bit version ?
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