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Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« on: July 08, 2014, 05:13:48 am »
I've tried to get Cinnamon running along with fglrx drivers for the last few releases - never worked. I think I've been trying since mint 13. Just tried 17 - junk.

I do everything simple and right.
Install OS
Update/upgrade
Install fglrx
Do the aticonfig thing
Reboot
Fail

Did that with all of them.

Millions of people use AMD cards. Tens of millions. Why not make life possible for them ?
I'm not looking for a solution, I can't throw more time into it, I'm just having a moan.
The open source drivers gave me a nice dual screen out the box - that's a win, but no fglrx = no games and OpenCL

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014, 10:21:06 am »
What AMD card do you have?
Bear in mind that AMD are tools when it comes to Linux drivers, compared to Intel or Nvidia

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2014, 04:40:56 pm »
HD 5850. Big selling card, millions out there in the wild, should be catered for. Anyway, no point complaining here I suppose. Where does one go to make one's opinion known ?
Then again - linux is free, a gift, so maybe it's out of order to moan about a free service. Constructive criticism, that's the thing.

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2014, 06:21:39 pm »
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Then again - linux is free, a gift, so maybe it's out of order to moan about a free service. Constructive criticism, that's the thing.

To start with, you need to drop this OS should support that device. It is not up to Linux to support the devices, but the manufacturers of said devices.
If you want to complain, that is where to go.

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2014, 06:24:17 pm »
I'm with SeZo here, proprietary drivers are something you'd need to complain to AMD/ATI about .. neither the Kernel team or your Linux distro has any say in those.

You wouldn't blame Microsoft if AMD wrote crap Windows drivers (or driver installers) would you ;)

Is "Additional Drivers" not offering to install the FGLRX drivers for you ?
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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2014, 09:16:00 pm »
But.... it works with other distros. Ubuntu Gnome does it right, Mint Cinnamon doesn't.
I've done additional drivers, apt-get, software centre, synaptic and downloaded package from AMD. None of these have worked for as long as I have used Cinnamon.

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2014, 10:22:25 pm »
How odd .. Have you asked on the Mint forum or IRC channel ?
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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 01:52:08 am »
Endlessly. I'm migrating to an ubuntu install. I just have to figure out file ownership.

I have a mint HDD and an ubuntu HDD on the same machine.

I copied a bunch of stuff to my ubuntu home folder, but I'm surprised I wasn't asked to enter a password before doing so. Does this mean my ubuntu installation is open for any Tom Dick or Harry to write to ?

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 02:41:13 am »
If you copied it from within Ubuntu, ownership would have been taken automatically .. that's why you can copy a file from say /etc to your home folder and the copy in your home folder won't still be owned by root.

If you copied them from within Mint (to Ubuntu), I would have expected it to bitch a bit .. but even then (depending how it was mounted) the UID's will likely be the same (1000) in which case Mint will see the Ubuntu home folder as being owned by the same user.

This can only really apply to local files not network shares (unless specifically mounted that way) .. so NO, Tom, Dick, or indeed Harry doesn't have access unless he has local access, or you've shared your home folder with the right (wrong ?) permissions (ie. manually given full access to anyone).
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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 03:27:59 am »
Ah, that's very good thank you very much. No bitching yet, just copy and paste. I expected trouble because passwords and user names are different for each install.

So, even though I have different Identity on each disk, the UID number is the same because I represent the same thing to each - the root user and owner. That seems like iffy security to me.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 03:42:53 am by lostgnuuser »

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 11:02:34 am »
You were booted into Ubuntu when doing the copy/paste?

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 11:38:13 am »
Mint. Just pasted into ubuntu home.

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2014, 12:17:31 pm »
And if you boot Ubuntu, you can see/open/save them?

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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2014, 01:20:48 pm »
As chemicalfan is suggesting, you really should be doing this from Ubuntu .. or they *may* not be owned by the same user in Ubuntu.

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So, even though I have different Identity on each disk, the UID number is the same because I represent the same thing to each - the root user and owner. That seems like iffy security to me.

Why ? .. in ANY OS if someone has local access, and you haven't used encryption, security is pretty much non existent anyway.
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Re: Return of the Cinnamon fallback curse
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2014, 04:40:47 pm »
I can see/open/save yes.  I did wonder if I should do it from within Ubuntu for that reason but I got full proper access from my ubuntu now - permissions say owner is me - seems like it went OK. I can also drag things from my mint install to my ubuntu install from within ubuntu and it's OK.

If I look, from within ubuntu, at file on mint, it says group permission is for the ubuntu ID with read only.

So I'm guessing "me" is root ?

What if a bad person hack my wifi ? They can then access my stuff ?
« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 04:58:47 pm by lostgnuuser »

 


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