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Windows 10 & privacy
« on: August 05, 2015, 01:31:45 pm »
I'm currently embroiled on an interesting debate on Windows 10 and it's massive changes in privacy policy on another forum (some details here - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/surveillance-state-goes-mainstream-windows-10-watching-logging-everything). The basics are that Windows 10 will include (enabled by default) a keylogger, web history logger, voice & webcam logger, screen grabber, location logger, document/e-mail inspector, all with a unique identifier to you, all of which point back to MSHQ. Most of the debate points out that privacy has been gone for ages via other firms:
  • Google & Facebook relentlessly mining data, even more minor websites grabbing what they can (including mouse position & keystrokes, presumably via some Flash "exploit")
  • ISPs being forced to hand over data without warrant
  • NSA/GCHQ cracking encryption using Nvidia Titan GPUs amonst other APICs in days rather than months & years
  • US Navy backdoor built into Tor (most exit nodes owned by US government
And the list goes on.....

Other interesting points are people claiming that due to lack of privacy/security, only local LANs are secure - once you step out into the wider world, despite best efforts, privacy is gone. Your data is as good as public. In terms of Windows, it's the blatant collection of data that is real shot across the bows - and now it all makes sense why this OS is free. I'd assumed they'd monetise it by creaming off the app store, but it's now clear that they'll comb your data and sell it to the highest bidder(s). Not to mention assisting the governments where profitable (call it "contracting"). I bring this up here, as the debate basically fractured into 2 camps - those resigned to defeat, accepting Windows and the theft of their personal information because it's already happened (also includes those too apathetic to care, the "nothing to hide" crowd), and the other camp who are jumping ship to Linux or sticking with Windows 7/8 (no-one trusts Apple thanks to Siri). There's an interesting claim that Linux isn't any more secure, including distros like TAILS, because of the lack of privacy on the internet. I think it's a real shame, and quite unnerving that it's come to this, that the world has gone this way. I've known about Facebook for years hence why I don't use it - it's a rich company only because of data mining, and the social pressure that has built to provide that data to your "friends", with no care that you're giving it to Facebook as well, and then indirectly to the rest of the world.

Anyway, to prevent this becoming an irrelevant rant, I'll pose a question - will we see another influx of new Linux users jumping ship, similar to when XP lost support?

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Re: Windows 10 & privacy
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2015, 04:57:35 pm »
I expect there'll e a few, but I'm resigned to the fact that most will have a quick whinge about it then go post a pic of a cat on Facebook and promptly forget all about it.
Meanwhile (because of wifi sense) I have to deny anyone using Win10 access to my wifi and add "_optout" to my SSID ::)
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Re: Windows 10 & privacy
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2015, 08:07:36 pm »
I am with Mark, most Win10 users will be oblivious to any privacy concerns, the rest will grin and bear it, only a small minority will look elswhere (they would have anyway).
What most concerns me is this WiFi (non)sense. How anybody can dream up such a blatantly obvious insecurity setup to solve some non existing problem.
I am defenitely concerned about my WiFi credentials ending up on MS servers. I wonder if MAC filtering is going to be effective agains (unwanted) friends access.

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Re: Windows 10 & privacy
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 07:35:02 pm »

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Re: Windows 10 & privacy
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 12:12:19 pm »
I am with Mark, most Win10 users will be oblivious to any privacy concerns, the rest will grin and bear it, only a small minority will look elswhere (they would have anyway).
What most concerns me is this WiFi (non)sense. How anybody can dream up such a blatantly obvious insecurity setup to solve some non existing problem.
I am defenitely concerned about my WiFi credentials ending up on MS servers. I wonder if MAC filtering is going to be effective agains (unwanted) friends access.

MAC filtering will definitely stop people connecting unless they know how to spoof, but if you've ever shared your wireless key with anyone that subsequently "free" upgrades to Windows 10 then your key must now be considered "out there/public domain"

Change your wireless key, add "_optout" to your routers SSID, and NEVER give the new key to anyone running Windows 10 (or Win 7/8 whilst the upgrade is free).
(can't hurt to also hide the SSID and use MAC filtering)
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Re: Windows 10 & privacy
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 12:25:46 pm »
If you change your SSID, you don't need to change your key (doesn't hurt though, I guess).

While your doing that, probably a good idea to setup a guest Wi-Fi that non-household users can use. They shouldn't be using your connection for anything that would require a connection anyway (if they did, they could use your machine)

 


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