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How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« on: November 05, 2015, 09:38:13 pm »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11970391/Internet-firms-to-be-banned-from-offering-out-of-reach-communications-under-new-laws.html

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Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to under the Investigatory Powers Bill .. [snip] .. Measures in the Investigatory Powers Bill will place in law a requirement on tech firms and service providers to be able to provide unencrypted communications to the police or spy agencies if requested through a warrant. 


How the **** are they going to enforce that ? .. if I encrypt something then transmit it, how can my carrier be expected to be able to supply its contents unencrypted if asked ?

anti terrorist measure my ass .. terrorists won't rely on Apple doing their encryption, they'll encrypt themselves .. this is all about being able to access Joe Citizen's data .. simply social spying by our own government.

93% of people who voted on the telegraphs poll suggested they didn't want this .. but you can bet they'll push ahead with it anyway .. I seem to vaguely remember the concept of "our voted representative" .. WTF happened ?

Are they really that scared of a bunch of brain dead facebook cat pic swappers and farmville addicts that they need to spy on them ?

Screw you Cameron, you complete asswipe .. oops, forgot to encrypt that  :o
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 10:14:30 pm »
Seriously, did you ever believe that democracy existed?
It's only ever been a smoke screen to make us think we have a measure of input into how we are controlled.
Have a poll to see what the people think then throw it in the bin and do what we want anyway and tell them it's because they don't understand how the political system works.
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Anything less and you're just wasting peoples time.

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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 10:39:21 pm »
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Are they really that scared of a bunch of brain dead facebook cat pic swappers and farmville addicts that they need to spy on them ?

They must have very boring lives if they want to see what ordinary folks do on facebook.  :o
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 10:44:58 pm »
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Seriously, did you ever believe that democracy existed?

Never!

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It's only ever been a smoke screen to make us think we have a measure of input into how we are controlled.


And internet companies are told to lessen data protection and create phony "cyber attacks" from make believe jihadis who want your bank details for all sorts of nefarious reasons, so then the power that be will have to spy on us -oops "tighten internet security" for us. But of course they are incapable of shutting down child porn websites. ???


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Have a poll to see what the people think then throw it in the bin and do what we want anyway and tell them it's because they don't understand how the political system works.

They view the average Joe as a downright imbecile who only exists to fill their tax coffers so they can go on their jollies earnt on the taxes paid from Joe's £6.50 an hour call centre "role"
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 06:19:25 pm »
Ok, well, I can see hurdle # 1 for them .. they have to know the communication is there to be able to request an unencrypted copy of it.

One of DARPA's design goals for the Internet was to develop a system with so much noise that sensitive information could be transmitted / exchanged relatively unnoticed. We now have lots (and lots) of noise, so what makes the World governments think that they or mere ISP's can subvert DARPA's original intent?

After watching Mr Robot and analysing the "holes" in some of the tech, I've been experimenting with an implementation of a "ssh" server that doesn't show up in "netstat" as a listening port and whose traffic isn't visible to "tcpdump" and doesn't appear in system logs. I'd be interested to hear how exactly they plan on detecting such "ssh" communication ...




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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2015, 07:18:17 pm »
That was kinda my point .. they can't possibly be employing advisers that stupid can they ? .. in which case you have to think it was never about terrorism or crime (they'll always find a way around it because it's in their interests to do so), but purely a legal device that's ultimately about spying on Joe Average and his business, and data mining the population as a whole.

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I dunno, maybe I'm too paranoid .. maybe I'm not paranoid enough .. or maybe I'm just indecisive about my paranoia levels  :o
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 10:49:47 am »
“Paranoids only *think* everyone is out to get them. If you know everyone is out to get you - you're not paranoid!”



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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 12:47:33 pm »
Phew, okay that's put my mind at ease .. no wait :o

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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 01:45:56 pm »
Check your calendar, I think you'll find it's 1984.

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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 02:30:57 pm »
Oh we're WAY past 1984, they may not have a camera in every room (or do they), they have a direct line into your very thoughts and aspirations .. the interweb and social media.

It'd be kind of foolish to think that even though modern computing was invented as a means to decipher what the Germans were up to, once the war was over they then went back to viewing them as nothing more than modern typewriters and games machines :o

Using computers to spy is NOT a new idea, in fact it's a very mature industry that from its inception has been government lead and steeped in secrecy.

Hey, I managed that even without my tinfoil hat .. which BTW I'm still angry the missus used to cook that chicken, made my hair very greasy and for some reason I'm now followed everywhere by foxes >:(
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2016, 02:02:20 pm »

The rise of ad-blocking could herald the end of the free internet.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/27/ad-blocking-herald-end-of-free-internet-ios9-apple

See how they are trying to manipulate people into accepting ads?


I don't know if you fellows think this is related- to me it kind of is- the subject of enforcing ads on us whilst browsing. I of course have ad blocker on Firefox. If I surf anywhere else I am shocked at how many ads pop up. I personally think it is the right of internet users to browse without being bombarded with ads.It's one of the reasons I barely watch itv player as they force you to turn the ad blocker off, or even listen to the radio. I DESPISE advertising- it is very aggressive and the stuff they want to sell is often useless sh*t.

And a very weird thing keeps happening to me when I am using my aol mail- even tho I have ad block a side bar flashes up to the right saying "you are trying to view an online casino"- is there any way I can prevent this? My brother had a severe online gambling problem which cost him his life, so this sort of thing I do not want popping up.
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Re: How screwed up is this - The Investigatory Powers Bill
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2016, 04:19:51 pm »
If you mean you use AdBlock+ (ABP).....

Two things may be happening here

a) the casino advertisers have paid AdBlock+ to be on their whitelist
and/or
b) it conforms to their "acceptable ads" setting, and you have this enabled
and/or
c) the advert is in a format that ABP can't clip

For (a) does any method to refuse the ad appear if you hover over it ?

For (b) disable "acceptable ads"

For (c) try something other than ABP, such as Ublock Origin:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
in conjunction with Privacy Badger
https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
or
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/privacy-badger-firefox/
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