I don’t really care how configurable Gnome 3 is. From a design point of view it’s a nightmare and seems to have been put together by spiteful children. But I suppose that spiteful childishness is now de rigeur from most commercial organisations.
Which is why I’m glad there’s slackware. A bastion of seriousness in a world of tellyutubby products and tellytubby attitudes.
So you liked Gnome 2.x, but you don’t like Cinnamon ?
I still think you’re confusing the Gnome 3 code base with the Gnome shell … Gnome 3 and the Gnome shell are two different things.
Knowing that … what’s wrong with the Gnome 3 code base ?
Examples please.
My argument is NOT that you (or anyone else) should necessarily like the Gnome shell (that’s subjective) … but beyond some teething problems, which are being addressed, people are yet to give me a reason not to admire the Gnome 3 code base … you do understand the difference between the Gnome 3 code basse, and the Gnome shell ?
My question is why are you using Slackware? It’s out-dated, and very much by it’s sell-by date. Unless your into compiling programs yourself, I don’t see any advantages of using Slackware vs using Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora with Gnome 3 with either MATE or Cinnamon. ???
I would disagree on this one. I am using Salix LXDE (based on Slackware 13.37) and I do appreciate the simplicity, stability and “Just works” nature of this distro.
And it is up-to date where it matters, like Firefox & Thunderbird gets updated pretty much as soon as Mozilla releases them.
I would recommend it every time over any vanilla Gnome3 based distro.
I also like LMDE with Cinnamon but it offers no gain over LMDE with XFCE (just as functional).
Also If I understood correctly then salparadise is running the KDE flavor, which is a lot saner by the way, than any of the Gnome3 (shell) or Unity based DE’s.
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“saner” is subjective (see the second line of my sig 
) on the whole the KDE4 plasma desktop drives me insane, but I try not to slag off the whole KDE team and Qt framework (well maybe a little … OK ya got me) … Ignoring the easily changeable shell, please give examples of where the functionality of the Gnome 3 code base falls down.
Beyond that, you’re just expressing “opinions” on the default shell … which you are fully entitled to, but carry no more weight than anyone elses.
And from my perspective, slagging off the WHOLE Gnome team, and code base, just because you don’t like the default (yet easily changed) shell is akin to a child stamping his feet when he’s given a Mars bar instead of a Twix at the shop counter … swap it, or don’t buy it … but don’t slag off the whole shop and shopkeeper for having Mars bars at the front of the shelf 
Oh, and RHEL “just works” … so that aint much of an argument
@ salparadise (and anyone else for that matter)
Please don’t take any of this personally … we regularly bitch at each other here … all part of the fun … and you’re more than welcome to bitch right back
(as long as it doesn’t get out of hand … in which case I’ll be the umpire)
Please don’t take any of this personally … we regularly bitch at each other here … all part of the fun … and you’re more than welcome to bitch right back
(as long as it doesn’t get out of hand … in which case I’ll be the umpire)
Thanks for saying that, I was undecided whether to just not come back or to come back with loaded cannon.
“Slackware is out of date”
ROFL
Most people I know are still on XP - 11 years old and counting.
I was talking to a guy yesterday who was on XP… what happened? Well he took it to a PC shop, and the guy formatted his HDD… got back home and his computer told him he needed an OS. I lol’d.
Well he took it to a PC shop, and the guy formatted his HDD… got back home and his computer told him he needed an OS.
I hope he was seeking legal advice with a view to suing.
Most people I know are still on XP - 11 years old and counting.
And I don’t expect Win8 to change that … I’ve said before, I expect to be doing a roaring trade downgrading people to Win7 … as I did Vista → XP
Just wish I could get them all on Linux … maybe Win8 will help in that push ???
This week I shall mostly be eating my own words.
Have been getting relentless system freezes with both Salix KDE and vanilla Slackware KDE. I must have reinstalled them both about 20 times in the last week. I thought it might be the flash plugin, but the last freeze occurred with no flash in use anywhere.
So I’ve swapped over to Salix Mate edition (slackware running the Mate Gnome 2.x style desktop).
Word pie for me.
I honestly think there was an update in the universal repo somewhere that’s causing freezing, because I’m experiencing it as well. Firefox & Thunderbird are constantly freezing and it’s driving me mad. I’m swearing like a trooper.
Only seems to happen when I’m using Unity though, not when I’m running Gnome-Shell… funny that.
What universal repo ? … if you mean “universe”, that’s still an Ubuntu repo ???
@ salparadise
I was tempted to say … ah, you know what’s coming … so I won’t bother
nothing in the logs ? … or more of a "can’t be ared to troubleshoot" affair ?
(which tends to be me, on my own systems … I spend ages on other peoples problems … so can’t be ared with my own)
or more of a “can’t be ar*ed to troubleshoot” affair ?
More of a “which log, what to look for? oh b*gger it, I’ll just reinstall, it’s quicker”.
I am not a programmer, a coder, a sysadmin or anything like that. I use Linux for political and ethical reasons - I hate Corporations and yes I know my pc was made by one, and they’re nigh on inescapable, but that doesn’t mean that total surrender is the only alternative.
Salix installs in about 5 minutes, Slackware takes a little longer. I’ve come so close to throwing Linux out altogether recently. What with the fragmentation, the Corporations, the mad designers, the ignorant press and the duplicitous Government, I’m all out of patience.
But then I realised that it would either mean going back to Windows (which makes me angry when I use it as a gaming platform, which it’s pretty good at) or digging out the old single core 800mhz Apple G4.
So, onwards and even, occasionally, upwards.
Well said … most Linux distros these days aren’t free from the “corporate thinking” scourge either … just “less so” than Windows/Mac.
I guess the minute Linux took over the server room, that was inevitable 
I am however a bit confused by the “going back to Mac” statement … Apple are more “shovel their way of thinking down your throat” than even Microsoft ?
[EDIT]
Ignore that last part … I’d missed the “But then I realised that it would either mean” bit
Yup, I can’t be ar*ed to look at my own problems. Busy sorting other people’s out. Heh.
Must be a kernel update, usually the problem I’ve noticed. There will be on kernel update that solves the problem and everything is hunky dori, and then a next which will break it again, and so repeat. I should really lock-down the updates, but I’m too lazy to take it off auto-updating.
Boot the older kernel … if the problem goes away, set it as the default kernel to boot into.
Seems to be present there as well. Although if I restart the computer and then select either of them for a second time, I get no crashes. Bit weird, but hey it works. That’s the main thing.